TATV question r.e. "The Pegasus"

[Trekwatcher]

So, I just watched TATV and "The Pegasus" back to back. In TATV Riker seems quite relaxed for most of the time, especially on the holodeck scenes (in the kitchen scenes he is really enjoying himself!). The scenes when he meets with Troi throughout the episode are the only times he seems ill at ease about what the ENT-D, Pressman, etc are doing.

In "The Pegasus" Riker appears to be under SEVERE stress. Frakes, who was never my favorite actor, really pulls off a great performance in this episode and is quite convincing in his misery. You can really feel him wrestling with his dilemma.

The incongruity between the two versions of Riker got me thinking; exactly when during "The Pegasus" does TATV take place? Can it be pinpointed at all? There is a gap between when they find the asteroid and when they go back to it after tricking the Romulans-could that have been enough time? Also, at the end of TATV Riker tells Troi he's going to have a talk with Picard, but in "The Pegasus" he seems to make his decision rather suddenly; on the bridge when he blurts out in front of everybody that the cloaking device is in Pressman's quarters and may be able to get them out of the asteroid.

What do others think? Is there a way to reconcile these two shows I am missing? They do not mesh very smootly, at least to me.

 

[JiNX-01]

Trekwatcher said:
So, I just watched TATV and "The Pegasus" back to back. In TATV Riker seems quite relaxed for most of the time, especially on the holodeck scenes (in the kitchen scenes he is really enjoying himself!). The scenes when he meets with Troi throughout the episode are the only times he seems ill at ease about what the ENT-D, Pressman, etc are doing.

In "The Pegasus" Riker appears to be under SEVERE stress. Frakes, who was never my favorite actor, really pulls off a great performance in this episode and is quite convincing in his misery. You can really feel him wrestling with his dilemma.

The incongruity between the two versions of Riker got me thinking; exactly when during "The Pegasus" does TATV take place? Can it be pinpointed at all? There is a gap between when they find the asteroid and when they go back to it after tricking the Romulans-could that have been enough time? Also, at the end of TATV Riker tells Troi he's going to have a talk with Picard, but in "The Pegasus" he seems to make his decision rather suddenly; on the bridge when he blurts out in front of everybody that the cloaking device is in Pressman's quarters and may be able to get them out of the asteroid.

What do others think? Is there a way to reconcile these two shows I am missing? They do not mesh very smootly, at least to me.

Somebody a while back tried to create a Pegasus that would work with TATV. I have no recollection who it was or how it was done... But, IMO, there is no way to resolve the contradictions.

 

[EnsignRicky]

He may have been putting up a brave front, but the stress was obviously getting to him; The poor guy aged eleven years in the space of a single day.

 

[darkshadow0001]

I tried to make a connection myself between the two episodes, I think I may have come up with something, but I don't remember.

 

[Captain X]

Trekwatcher said:
So, I just watched TATV and "The Pegasus" back to back. In TATV Riker seems quite relaxed for most of the time, especially on the holodeck scenes (in the kitchen scenes he is really enjoying himself!). The scenes when he meets with Troi throughout the episode are the only times he seems ill at ease about what the ENT-D, Pressman, etc are doing.

In "The Pegasus" Riker appears to be under SEVERE stress. Frakes, who was never my favorite actor, really pulls off a great performance in this episode and is quite convincing in his misery. You can really feel him wrestling with his dilemma.

The incongruity between the two versions of Riker got me thinking; exactly when during "The Pegasus" does TATV take place? Can it be pinpointed at all? There is a gap between when they find the asteroid and when they go back to it after tricking the Romulans-could that have been enough time? Also, at the end of TATV Riker tells Troi he's going to have a talk with Picard, but in "The Pegasus" he seems to make his decision rather suddenly; on the bridge when he blurts out in front of everybody that the cloaking device is in Pressman's quarters and may be able to get them out of the asteroid.

What do others think? Is there a way to reconcile these two shows I am missing? They do not mesh very smootly, at least to me.

That's a good chunk of why the episode just plain sucks. Not only does it ruin ENT's goodbye, make its characters horribly out of character, but it also ruins one of the few good TNG episodes from its seventh season, and makes those characters horribly out of character.

 

[pookha]

they dont match up.
both in how riker reacts to simple things like different events take place on different stardates between the two versions.

tatv as motivation for riker makes no sense because we get two more accurate ones in pegasus itself.
riker visiting the pegasus and his own enterprise being in dire danger.

it also took away the sense of conflict riker felt in not telling picard.

and other characterizations such as data's was off.

 

[ChristopherPike]

They picked the wrong TNG episode to drag into Enterprise. It should've been the one immediately before "The Pegasus". Part of me can believe those Riker and Troi scenes are happening on one of those alternate "Parallels" ships.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

IMO, they should have taken what many have suggested here, and simply made it about Riker's dilemma on assuming command of the Titan, just prior to "Nemesis". They could easily have hauled the relevant Enterprise-E sets out of storage and made the TNG scenes focus on whether or not Riker would finally give up his place at Picard's side and take a ship of his own. I know they wanted to keep the TV and movie franchises separate, but honestly, it couldn't be any worse than what we got.

Mark

 

[Noname Given]

Captain X said:

Trekwatcher said:
So, I just watched TATV and "The Pegasus" back to back. In TATV Riker seems quite relaxed for most of the time, especially on the holodeck scenes (in the kitchen scenes he is really enjoying himself!). The scenes when he meets with Troi throughout the episode are the only times he seems ill at ease about what the ENT-D, Pressman, etc are doing.

In "The Pegasus" Riker appears to be under SEVERE stress. Frakes, who was never my favorite actor, really pulls off a great performance in this episode and is quite convincing in his misery. You can really feel him wrestling with his dilemma.

The incongruity between the two versions of Riker got me thinking; exactly when during "The Pegasus" does TATV take place? Can it be pinpointed at all? There is a gap between when they find the asteroid and when they go back to it after tricking the Romulans-could that have been enough time? Also, at the end of TATV Riker tells Troi he's going to have a talk with Picard, but in "The Pegasus" he seems to make his decision rather suddenly; on the bridge when he blurts out in front of everybody that the cloaking device is in Pressman's quarters and may be able to get them out of the asteroid.

What do others think? Is there a way to reconcile these two shows I am missing? They do not mesh very smootly, at least to me.

That's a good chunk of why the episode just plain sucks. Not only does it ruin ENT's goodbye, make its characters horribly out of character, but it also ruins one of the few good TNG episodes from its seventh season, and makes those characters horribly out of character.

What really cracks me up is that in The Pegasus Riker makes a HUGE deal of the fact he has been ordered not to tell ANYONE of the true nature of the Pegasus; and it's a MAJOR point of contention between Picard and Riker in The Pegasus episode itself; yet in TaTV, Piker almost CASUALLY just rattles everything about the Pegasus and it's secret to Diana Troi ; and then SHE has to make teh suggestion that the NX-01 holo-novel/whatever will help Riker make up his mind (again ). Come on - Riker will tell Troi a DEEP DARK Federation secret known by ONLY 3 or 4 people in the Federation; yet can't decide to tell Picard? YEAH RIGHT!

 

[SonicRanger]

You also have to wonder what Klingons and Ferengi (in their respective military uniforms) are doing about the Enterprise, hanging out in Ten Forward where they can see exactly what is going on, during a high-security mission at the request of Starfleet Intelligence.

 

[Captain59]

I also got the impression Riker made a snap decision to spill the beans when he was on the bridge of the Enterprise-E. He was beside himself and just couldn't stand the stress anymore. During TATV, it was like he was on vacation trying decide whether to shine his trombone in the mornings or evenings.

Did B&B even re-watch "The Pegasus" before throwing this mess together?

 

[Captain X]

Probably not. It's more like they just read the description of it in the Encyclopedia or something just to get the basic plot.

 

[Captain59]

A monkey could do that!

 

[Noname Given]

Captain59 said:
A monkey could do that!

What, isn't that obvious as the poster above you is telling you that's EXACTLY what Branon Braga did.

 

[Winterwind]

EnsignRicky said:
He may have been putting up a brave front, but the stress was obviously getting to him; The poor guy aged eleven years in the space of a single day.

He also sought solace in food. That's a lot of eating in one day.

Long story short. Moderately interesting idea. Horrible execution.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Captain X said:
Probably not. It's more like they just read the description of it in the Encyclopedia or something just to get the basic plot.

A similar thing happened with "Flashback"/ST VI. Dmitri Valtane dies in VOY but lived in ST VI, and the gap between Praxis exploding and the Gorkon assassination was three weeks in VOY but three months in ST VI.

I actually don't mind TATV, but it would be a more believable Troi/Riker had they been preparing to depart for Titan (and a new series of telemovies?).

 

[Broccoli]

Re: TATV question r.e. "The Pegasus"

A similar thing happened with "Flashback"/ST VI. Dmitri Valtane dies in VOY but lived in ST VI, and the gap between Praxis exploding and the Gorkon assassination was three weeks in VOY but three months in ST VI.

True, but due to an editing error in ST6, it appears that there were two people that looked like Valtane and were both in the same scene.

You also have to wonder what Klingons and Ferengi (in their respective military uniforms) are doing about the Enterprise, hanging out in Ten Forward where they can see exactly what is going on, during a high-security mission at the request of Starfleet Intelligence.

Oh, they were really Starfleet officers. It was clearly Halloween!

 

[MadBaggins]

Re: TATV question r.e. "The Pegasus"

SHRAN STOLE MY DIAMONDS!

 

[USS Excelsior]

Re: TATV question r.e. "The Pegasus"

If it wasn't the finale, the basic idea would have made for a cool episode.

And another thing is I still don't see the connection with Trip sacrificing himself and the decision to tell Picard the truth.

And plus in "The Pegasus" Riker's decision was a snap decision which was pretty much forced upon him when they were stuck in that asteroid and mentioning the cloak/phasing device was the only way out.

 

[Good Will Riker]

Re: TATV question r.e. "The Pegasus"

Trekwatcher said:
So, I just watched TATV and "The Pegasus" back to back. In TATV Riker seems quite relaxed for most of the time, especially on the holodeck scenes (in the kitchen scenes he is really enjoying himself!). The scenes when he meets with Troi throughout the episode are the only times he seems ill at ease about what the ENT-D, Pressman, etc are doing.

In "The Pegasus" Riker appears to be under SEVERE stress. Frakes, who was never my favorite actor, really pulls off a great performance in this episode and is quite convincing in his misery. You can really feel him wrestling with his dilemma.

The incongruity between the two versions of Riker got me thinking; exactly when during "The Pegasus" does TATV take place? Can it be pinpointed at all? There is a gap between when they find the asteroid and when they go back to it after tricking the Romulans-could that have been enough time? Also, at the end of TATV Riker tells Troi he's going to have a talk with Picard, but in "The Pegasus" he seems to make his decision rather suddenly; on the bridge when he blurts out in front of everybody that the cloaking device is in Pressman's quarters and may be able to get them out of the asteroid.

What do others think? Is there a way to reconcile these two shows I am missing? They do not mesh very smootly, at least to me.

That's a good chunk of why the episode just plain sucks. Not only does it ruin ENT's goodbye, make its characters horribly out of character, but it also ruins one of the few good TNG episodes from its seventh season, and makes those characters horribly out of character.

I wonder why the fans chose this episode as one of the Fan Collectives?

Even Scott Bakula is a bit puzzled by this...