Tarantino and Abrams to Do Next Trek Movie
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So...between Quentin's mentions of "City On The Edge Of Forever" (TOS) and "Yesterday's Enterprise" (TNG) and previous talk of Chris Hemsworth returning as George Kirk Sr., plus the advent of Discovery, are we looking at the foundations of a potential re-integration of the Kelvin and Prime Timelines being laid, here?
Perhaps not, but it's a rather exciting prospect!
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Perhaps not, but it's a rather exciting prospect!
-MMoM
Paramount has lost their goddamn minds. I'll be there opening night.
Tarantino's 1969 comes out Aug 9, 2019. Where does that put this Trek's release date realistically?
Tarantino's 1969 comes out Aug 9, 2019. Where does that put this Trek's release date realistically?
Unless QT will just write/produce and it gets a different director, then it might move up.
2020 would be the likely date. That is the same time period between ST 09 and Into Darkness. Not really a big deal for a 50+ year old franchise to deliver a film a year late. Especially when you consider the massive amount of press (just Google Tarantino and ST, the story is everywhere) a Tarantino directed ST film will get.
It should also be noted that Tarantino is a huge fan of TOS. I’ve read some opinions where fans have speculated that he will start over with a new crew or make a TNG film. I find that scenario highly unlikely. Tarantino is on record as saying that Kirk is key to ST (I’m paraphrasing) with that in mind I think it’s likely that he and Abrams continue with the established Kelvin universe crew.
It should also be noted that Tarantino is a huge fan of TOS. I’ve read some opinions where fans have speculated that he will start over with a new crew or make a TNG film. I find that scenario highly unlikely. Tarantino is on record as saying that Kirk is key to ST (I’m paraphrasing) with that in mind I think it’s likely that he and Abrams continue with the established Kelvin universe crew.
Hopefully you are right about this... I personally feel that the Kelvinverse crew of Pine and everyone have *at least* one more great movie ahead of them. A feature with a new cast wouldn't sit well with me. To enjoy the 'Tarantino-ness' of such a project, it would need familiar faces for him to mess with.
I think it's a combination of things making him if not a terrible choice, a bit nonsense and extremely weird.
He already is a bad fit for the genre, in terms of his previous works and style and the stuff he seems to gravitate to, but it feels like he's trying to alter this trek too much. I can't reconcile the existing movies with what this guy seems to want to do and I'm scared to find out how more absurd and weird this will get.
Making the movie R-rated and having the script written by that guy really doesn't feel like it has anything to do with this trek, or trek in general. The rating suggests adding elements to the movie that will no doubt preclude a side of the audience from watching.
Not saying the first movies are family movies per se, but I surely know many people who had no issues bringing their pre-teens to the cinema to watch trek together, and thus share the experience of loving these characters with their kids. If the movie will have language and violence like the other QT's movies, it just won't be available to a lot of the audience who had loved the first movies or might be interested about watching the next one. It doesn't seem to be that great of an idea for a franchise that, if anything, is struggling to make the same numbers stuff like guardians of the galaxy etc are making. Instead of trying to get more people on board, it seems like wanting to limit their audience all the more and unnecessarily alienate a part of it. And I don't think QT's fans would be automatically interested about a trek movie, so I don't think they would be able to cash on the success of his previous works either. Trek and QT's movies simply have different audiences that in many ways are mutually exclusive.
and, again, honestly, there are many kids who like trek and its hopeful nature and I'm not sure I'm willing to take it away from them.. and in trek, of all the things, just because a new director comes and needs to make trek look more like his movies. You have kids going to Zachary or Zoe or Chris to talk about how cool they find their characters, you see them dressing as the characters for Halloween or at fan conventions where they go with their parents. Back while they were promoting Beyond, I remember this adorable mixed little girl in a talk show who asked Zoe when would Uhura get her own spaceship, and showed her the LLAP gesture. This is trek too and what makes it so special to many! That was a sweet reminder of why representation matters.
Does QT want to alienate these kids and making them lose their heroes? Is it necessary to do that with trek?
the only way this can vaguely make sense is if maybe he's doing a new trek iteration with a different cast. But while it would make sense in terms of him not really altering something that already exists and alienate a side of its audience, it doesn't make much sense in terms of trek and taking advantage of the kelvin timeline and this version of the characters that, unlike what some had said in this board or elsewhere, is everything but 'done and over' to most of its fans and critics (in fact, it's not rare to find people who want to see more of these characters and who really don't think the sequels had done, so far, nearly everything the writers could have done with this trek and these characters)
You'd expect, if they were to invest more into trek at all, they'd want to cash more on the success of this trek and popularity of its cast. It seems premature to want to do another reboot when people still want more from this one, and it's still in their memory as what they expect them to work more into.
That's why I tend to think, especially since JJ is involved, that it's a movie with this cast and about this trek still...
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People who are having reservations about the possibility of a Trek film with an R rating have clearly never seen The Wrath of Khan, a film which is hardly family friendly in parts, which under the UK's old rating system was given an A for Adults only and was was still cut for cinema release, and which until the film was reclassified at 12 (PG13) for DVD release around 15 years, was still a 15 (R equivalent) on VHS.
Given the box office successes of Deadpool and Logan with R certs, and the poor financial performance of Beyond, I don't see that an R rating would do any more harm to the franchise than Abrams has already caused. I wouldn't want a Tarantino script as he can't write for toffee, but he's a decent director of other people's work, and can be good if he has an established framework to work within.
Given the box office successes of Deadpool and Logan with R certs, and the poor financial performance of Beyond, I don't see that an R rating would do any more harm to the franchise than Abrams has already caused. I wouldn't want a Tarantino script as he can't write for toffee, but he's a decent director of other people's work, and can be good if he has an established framework to work within.
Hell, we had an episode of TNG where Picard and Riker explode a guy's head, then phaser the rest of him down, Robocop-style. In 1988 - on television. The pearl-clutching over Star Trek suddenly getting an R-rated film outing is tiresome.
You're being dramatic. There's a reason why I said "ultimately". It's not one thing that brings the whole thing down for me. If the terrible Uhura/Spock fanfic stuff was done well enough for me to overlook its cynical roots then I would have easily rolled with it. But it doesn't do anything for me, so I end up seeing it for what it is. This isn't about feeling morally superior over a movie, its me ULTIMATELY not buying what the film is trying to sell.
Yup to me, this has "disaster" written all over it.
Seeing lots of blood and gore all over the place in a Trek movie will be really strange. I can imagine that this will turn out to be like Ang Lee's Hulk movie. Ang Lee is a great director, but his Hulk movie just didn't work whatsoever for most people.
Very few directors can do all genres well. Spielberg can pull it off quite nicely, for example. But Tarantino, as great as he is and as much as I love his movies, I don't think can pull off Trek. I'm sorry, but seeing Kirk and Spock sitting around talking for 20 minutes (in a Kelvin-universe movie) about nothing doesn't seem to make much sense to me. His movies, by their very nature, are extremely talky. And there's nothing wrong with that for the genres that he's done. But for Kelvin-universe Trek? No, just no.
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Just a thought: The Kelvin movies are almost 9 years old. Many of the kids who saw the 2009 movie are old enough to watch an R-rated Trek now.
this is not meant to attack anyone here, but I feel like some people are being disingenuos, especially with the ones who have concerns about these news. It's like you think we are being killjoy and ruining the party for no other reason than complain for the sake of complaining.
People like these movies, is it really so crazy and unreasonable for them expect that their continuation makes sense with the rest and doesn't crap on everything just because they can? For those who don't care, it won't make any difference one way or another, but for those who care it's different. Can you at least respect that?
and it's not the R rating alone, it's what R rating means with Tarantino too. After what he had already said. After looking at his movies and trying to make sense of how they can fit with trek, or this trek for that matter. It's the fact he'd be altering an existing franchise to fit his own liking and the movies he finds easier to make, instead of him truly trying to challenge himself with something different, and thus make a respectful continuation of something that may not be the kind of narrative he gratitates the most to. It's the fact that he would no doubt alienate a good part of the audience of these movies for reasons that, frankly, are unnecessary and just not worth it for me. He can still do his thing in other movies, he doesn't need this trek.
Trek shouldn't dramatically change to fit his style or get turned into another genre (again, at this point why not hire Woody Allen?) it should be the other way around since he's the one choosing to work on something that is already established.
Of course, this unless he wants to make another reboot with another cast, instead of continuing this one. In that case, it would be a bit different because he'd create a new thing like JJ&co did back then. The issue is whether he's making a continuation of this trek but basically altering it to the extent many maybe wouldn't recognize it as part of the same franchise.
there are always kids loving trek, no matter when it's made. Ask Zachary, Zoe, Chris.. all those little fans who made them sign their pictures of the characters during Beyond's promotional tour. Those kids weren't old enough or even born yet in 2009, and yet there they were.
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it isn't just the 'kids' who don't watch QT's movies for their content and thus wouldn't be that excited about seeing him turn trek into that. A lot of adult fans wouldn't watch it either. The people who choose to not watch his movies for a reason, will choose to not watch this trek even if they had liked the other movies.
People like these movies, is it really so crazy and unreasonable for them expect that their continuation makes sense with the rest and doesn't crap on everything just because they can? For those who don't care, it won't make any difference one way or another, but for those who care it's different. Can you at least respect that?
and it's not the R rating alone, it's what R rating means with Tarantino too. After what he had already said. After looking at his movies and trying to make sense of how they can fit with trek, or this trek for that matter. It's the fact he'd be altering an existing franchise to fit his own liking and the movies he finds easier to make, instead of him truly trying to challenge himself with something different, and thus make a respectful continuation of something that may not be the kind of narrative he gratitates the most to. It's the fact that he would no doubt alienate a good part of the audience of these movies for reasons that, frankly, are unnecessary and just not worth it for me. He can still do his thing in other movies, he doesn't need this trek.
Trek shouldn't dramatically change to fit his style or get turned into another genre (again, at this point why not hire Woody Allen?) it should be the other way around since he's the one choosing to work on something that is already established.
Of course, this unless he wants to make another reboot with another cast, instead of continuing this one. In that case, it would be a bit different because he'd create a new thing like JJ&co did back then. The issue is whether he's making a continuation of this trek but basically altering it to the extent many maybe wouldn't recognize it as part of the same franchise.
there are always kids loving trek, no matter when it's made. Ask Zachary, Zoe, Chris.. all those little fans who made them sign their pictures of the characters during Beyond's promotional tour. Those kids weren't old enough or even born yet in 2009, and yet there they were.
(look around minute 2:37)
it isn't just the 'kids' who don't watch QT's movies for their content and thus wouldn't be that excited about seeing him turn trek into that. A lot of adult fans wouldn't watch it either. The people who choose to not watch his movies for a reason, will choose to not watch this trek even if they had liked the other movies.
Trek has changed a lot over the years. Tarantino putting his own stamp will be no different than when Meyer did it, or even Abrams. I consider this a good thing because it brings more variety to Trek and keeps it from becoming stagnant.
Exactly. Look how different in style, tone and content the movies have been. Bar a couple of the TNG outings they're all really different to each other.
No disrespect to you or anyone else that's belaboring the case against QT directing this movie, but all we have to go on is a two-year-old 7-minute excerpt from The Nerdist, and two reports. The amount of conjecture and pre-reviewing a movie that's not even written yet is smothering the baby before it even gets out of the womb. No one knows what's gonna happen in this movie, how the characters will be treated, what the tone will be like, or how QT will direct it. Perhaps wait until we know more than just a week's worth of preliminary reports before talking about "what this means." We really know nothing worth writing reams and reams of speculation over.
For the record, SyFy in the UK refuse to show that scene in Conspiracy, even in the evenings. They used to show it in its entirety, but the whole scene's been binned in recent showings, and it's usually on at least 3 times a year.
Quite pathetic really.
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