Tarantino and Abrams to Do Next Trek Movie

[Garak]

You know TWOK didn't coin that phrase, right?

Yeah but in Kill Bill, the film he's referencing, it attributes the quote to an old Klingon Proverb.

Oh man, you almost got to show everyone how smart you are! So close!

 

[ItIsGreen]

Yeah but in Kill Bill, the film he's referencing, it attributes the quote to an old Klingon Proverb.

Fair enough, it's been a long time since I've seen Kill Bill.

Oh man, you almost got to show everyone how smart you are! So close!

I'm going to assume that's another Tarantino quote I've forgotten, and not just you being a dick.

 

[mymatty]

This is so bizarre.

I love it.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ino-jj-abrams-team-up-star-trek-movie-1064206

Discuss.

Very interesting if that happens.

 

[Cyrus]

You know TWOK didn't coin that phrase, right?

Yeah, but Kill Bill referred to it as a Klingon proverb, so there is no ambiguity.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Yeah, Just like Lin.. and I got beyond. A movie that mostly ignored the first two.

If only paramount&co knew what they wanted this trek to be..
This is no Star Wars and no Disney where, no matter the different creative team, there is some sort of plan and the ones hired to make the movies need to follow those guidelines and keep an established integrity the trilogy must have.

I'm not worried about Tarantino adding violence etc. He just doesn't seem to fit with the genre, and I don't find his movies have the heart these movies had. I don't think he'd respect the integrity of the characters, I don't think he'd do well with the dynamics. I don't think he cares. He'd probably have an interesting villain and general story, but I care more about the characters than those aspects.

Sure, he said he likes tos and tng but I'm honestly tired of tos fanboys who think they'll fix this trek by turning it into a self serving tos fanfiction of old episodes. It is like trek must be so doomed by its past so no matter what, we always get back to the same point. It is tiring.

back then, my worries about Pegg and Lin also proved to be right so my knee jerk reaction might be, in part, my not being willing to take another risk and have hopes when my gut feeling tells me to be concerned. Even for stid, I was worried about Lindelof's involvement because of what I knew about him as a writer from lost (and in fact, it seems he was responsible for some of the stuff I didn't like about the movie and that now give it a bad reputation)

Personally, anyway, I'd rather have a less known director who really loved these movies and is inspired by them. If you need to hire a fan, hire one of the reboot who is excited to do more with it because they want more of it themselves.

Tarantino called the first Abrams film one of the best movies of 2009.

Also, I'm really confused about the contradictory points you make. You're afraid Tarantino will just make a "fanfic" film, yet you like STID even though that's accused of being too much a fanfic. You claim BEYOND ignores the first two. That's true of STID (and probably for the better), but it certainly did not ignore the 2009 film, rather it actually continued threads like Kirk's thoughts of living up to his father, Spock learning of his Prime self's passing and what that means to him, contemplating over the future of the Vulcan people still rebuilding from Nero's destruction, etc.

 

[Vger23]

It's a pity because this probably means McKay and Payne have had their work dumped for a second time

Maybe that's because it sucks?

 

[Timewalker]

Um... the fact that the villain said his name was Khan? And he had a bunch of followers stored in life support capsules? And they were all supposed to be superhumans from the 20th century?

Which was backstory and motivation but barely factored into the story.

So motivation is something that doesn't matter? WTF was nuKhan doing everything for, then? Was he just bored and decided to do everything he did for the hell of it?

I guess I shouldn't be too surprised at how any straws will do to excuse this bunch of bad fanfic movies.

I'm talking about the actual story they told, not Khan's background. Khan having genetic supermen in TWOK doesn't make it a remake of "Space Seed".

Of course it's not a remake of "Space Seed." There's no red-haired historian making goo-goo eyes at him and betraying the ship just because she finds him compelling when he treats her like crap.

Is it a remake of TWOK? Yeah, basically.

I guess you also think everything she did was making out with her boyfriend. Clearly, one scene=the character does that all the time.

I've made my views of nuUhura clear over the years. When she's on duty, she whines about her relationship with nuSpock, and even basically tells her own Captain to shut up while she continues to whine at nuSpock.

Two movies later she's still whining about nuSpock. I'm all for nuUhura demonstrating martial arts skills, linguistic skills, and proficiency as a communications officer. But FFS, leave her relationship woes to her off-duty hours. This is supposedly Star Trek, not a modern American sitcom.

If her having agency in her relationship is 'whining', then I wish she were allowed to ~whine about her love life in beyond.
It surely is no less legit and understanble for her to express her feelings than the many times the guys, especially McCoy, were 'whining' about something or Spock. In and out of duty.

One of the biggest issues of beyond, for me, is precisely the fact she isn't allowed to be a character in her relationship, or even talk about it at all, as her pov is completely ignored; her own problems and relationship instead become a pretext so that McCoy has something to talk about with Spock and mock him. McCoy assumed that Uhura was 'upset' about something that would understably make anyone unhappy, but actual Uhura doesn't express that feeling on screen. She is 'nicely' silent and hardly interacts with her boyfriend, just like some like it.
Of course, women having agency is constantly passed as 'sexism' by some, as some people gotta complain when female characters do everything guys get a pass or are praised for, so it's more 'feminist' to dehumanize women to placate said people. And even when writers do that, it still isn't enough because to some, even in beyond, she's just the 'whiny' girlfriend. By default, no matter what actually happens on screen.

Oh, FFS.

She's an officer, so let her be an officer. A professional, who doesn't tell her captain to basically shut up while she continues to nag and badger and WHINE at her boyfriend DURING A MISSION.

 

[fireproof78]

Is it a remake of TWOK? Yeah, basically.

It really isn't, any more than TWOK was a remake of "King Leer", or "Moby Dick."

 

[Timewalker]

It really isn't.

So one of the villains isn't a TWOK character? One of the main "good guy" characters didn't get killed by radiation and then miraculously get un-killed?

Nobody yelled "KHAAAAANNNNNN!!!"?

O-kay... I guess you must have watched a different movie than I did.

 

[fireproof78]

So one of the villains isn't a TWOK character? One of the main "good guy" characters didn't get killed by radiation and then miraculously get un-killed?

Nobody yelled "KHAAAAANNNNNN!!!"?

O-kay... I guess you must have watched a different movie than I did.

So that makes a remake? The villain isn't Khan until the 3rd act, Khan is just the Macguffin.

Kirk sacrifices himself continuing his arc of character growth from 2009 and through this film.

None of this matters because the hatred towards these films is well documented. So, yes, I guess I did watch a completely different film, with enjoyable, interesting characters who I wanted to see succeed and was invested in.

 

[ralfy]

Maybe the crew can go back in time and appear in some of his movies.

 

[Timewalker]

So that makes a remake? The villain isn't Khan until the 3rd act, Khan is just the Macguffin.

So they switched out the actors?

I'd have been fine if the character had remained as John Whatsisname, who had been one of Khan's followers. That would have been much more interesting. But making him into Khan Noonian Singh was... ridiculous, laughable, and utterly pathetic. Didn't the producers trust that this movie could stand on its own without leaning on RealTrek?

It doesn't appear so.

Kirk sacrifices himself continuing his arc of character growth from 2009 and through this film.

None of this matters because the hatred towards these films is well documented. So, yes, I guess I did watch a completely different film, with enjoyable, interesting characters who I wanted to see succeed and was invested in.

Oh, cool. Where do we see him grow up? Where do we see him sacrifice himself? NuKhan's magic blood cured him in about 10 minutes flat.

 

[Trekkin]

So one of the villains isn't a TWOK character?

And that right there is a good indicator that STID isn’t a TWOK remake.

Just another sequel with a different plot, and some of the same old TOS characters.

One of the main "good guy" characters didn't get killed by radiation and then miraculously get un-killed?

In STID? Yes.

In TWOK? No.

Nobody yelled "KHAAAAANNNNNN!!!"?

Yep.

Although I’m fairly certain INS, NEM, and 09 (and DS9, maybe?) also imitated the scream, and it’s certainly used in a far different context than TWOK.

So less ‘remake’, and more ‘everyone in the Star Wars repeatedly has bad feelings about this,’

O-kay... I guess you must have watched a different movie than I did.

I’ll do you one better.

I think I’ve seen two different movies than you have.

 

[fireproof78]

So they switched out the actors?

I'd have been fine if the character had remained as John Whatsisname, who had been one of Khan's followers. That would have been much more interesting. But making him into Khan Noonian Singh was... ridiculous, laughable, and utterly pathetic. Didn't the producers trust that this movie could stand on its own without leaning on RealTrek?

It doesn't appear so.

Oh, please. TWOK's shadow is so long that Star Trek will never escape it.

I don't get this. I would have prefer John Harrison as well, and it would have been more interesting. But, it worked just fine and Cumberbatch's performance was chilling.

Oh, cool. Where do we see him grow up? Where do we see him sacrifice himself? NuKhan's magic blood cured him in about 10 minutes flat.

So what? Kirk didn't know that and still sacrificed himself.

Again, nothing new for Star Trek.

 

[Maurice]

So motivation is something that doesn't matter? WTF was nuKhan doing everything for, then? Was he just bored and decided to do everything he did for the hell of it?

if you really have to have me explain the difference between character motivation and plot then you're going to have to pay me for a writing workshop. Otherwise I am going to assume you are being deliberately thick just because you want to stick adamantly to your guns and are unwilling to concede that while all apples are fruit not all fruits are apples.

 

[donners22]

O-kay... I guess you must have watched a different movie than I did.

No, they're just applying a definition of "remake" which actually has some logic to it.

Love or hate the film, it is not a "remake".

 

[Smellmet]

So one of the villains isn't a TWOK character? One of the main "good guy" characters didn't get killed by radiation and then miraculously get un-killed?

Nobody yelled "KHAAAAANNNNNN!!!"?

O-kay... I guess you must have watched a different movie than I did.

Oh please. Tot up for me how much of the runtime of STID is a direct lift/remake of TWOK before you make such statements. You'll find it's maybe 3-5 minutes out of over 2 hours?

 

[Malaika]

Also, I'm really confused about the contradictory points you make. You're afraid Tarantino will just make a "fanfic" film, yet you like STID even though that's accused of being too much a fanfic. .

I'm contradictory to you because you are projecting and didn't read what I actually said. If you did, you'd pay attention to the part where I'm not happy about stid either and I criticize both movies for similar reasons.

It's funny you are trying to turn my calling people out on their double standards for beyond compared to stid, into me being the one with double standards for beyond lol
Nice try but nope. I'm coherent in what I dislike, and I don't give beyond a pass for stuff I disliked in stid, unlike a lot of stid haters do. For me both movies have a shared core issue, beyond more than stid but stid was the first hint, for me, of the people behind this trek losing track of what people loved the most on the first movie.

The fact you see me 'defending' stid sometimes is a different matter not related to what I think of the movie, or me particularly loving it, but it's more a response to some people pushing the narrative that beyond is the most successful of the 3 while stid is the 'flop' when, by facts, it's the other way around.

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I've made my views of nuUhura clear over the years. When she's on duty, she whines about her relationship with nuSpock, and even basically tells her own Captain to shut up while she continues to whine at nuSpock.

Two movies later she's still whining about nuSpock.

Clear?
You either watched different movies, or you believe the character is 'whining' by just existing and being in a relationship!

Your argument loses credibility when you are making stuff up by apparently claiming she is 'whining' about her relationship in beyond, when she literally never did that. It just flies in the face of the movie completely omitting her pov in the relationship! Maybe you believe that McCoy stating that maybe Uhura was 'upset' about Spock is her 'whining', which would be really ridiculous as argument.
Besides, if Uhura were truly upset, something you didn't see, she'd have every reason to be! I struggle to comprehend how you think relationships must work if you automatically label characters being human and having understandable reactions to difficult situations as them 'whining'.

This is supposedly Star Trek, not a modern American sitcom.

So you hate McCoy and Scotty, I guess? Maybe you should lobby for the next movie to eliminate their characters since their comic relief scenes obviously don't make sense with what you want trek to be, and they take away from the characters supposedly being just officers who gotta do their job only. Full stop.

She's an officer, so let her be an officer. A professional, who doesn't tell her captain to basically shut up while she continues to nag and badger and WHINE at her boyfriend DURING A MISSION.

Do you realize Kirk agreed with her and 'whines' about Spock too, even more than her? Do you realize any officer there would be entitled to point up that Spock was emotionally compromised (him possibly having a death wish), since that could put them all in danger? He shouldn't even be there after what happened.

And do you realize Uhura is one of the few who even refers to Kirk as the captain? McCoy and Scotty, while on duty, constantly call him Jim while disagreeing and arguing with him. And I'm 100% sure that had McCoy been there with them, he'd be the first to argue with Spock and insult him after he made that comment about there being 90% of chances of them dying in the mission (a comment that annoyed Kirk too). But keep on complaining about Uhura when she is more professional and competent than most of the dudes there. Keep on making straw man arguments against her just because she's in a relationship, and she dares to be part of a narrative, the interpersonal relationships, that apparently is exclusive to the male friendships and original trio only.

 

[BillJ]

Is it a remake of TWOK? Yeah, basically.

I'm not sure you know what remake means. Seriously. Khan has no ax to grind with Kirk, Khan hasn't been in exile with his people for fifteen years, there is no super weapon that can wipe out life on a planet. The structure of the story is entirely different.