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Takei's Claims About Shatner

Noname Given said:
^^^
Just goes to show he had no faith and thought their idea of a PC for personal use would not be profitable. If Apple had gone nowhere (and with Jobs' attitude, it's amazing it did).

9 times out of 10, that's the smart play.
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Yep. There were hundreds of startups that all had a similar idea. MITS, IMSAI, Cromemco. Even the ones that did shine bright for awhile like Commodore (Hey.. Shatner tie-in. I'm still topical) and Atari eventually flared out. Apple had the genius of the Woz (no money initually to buy MSBasic from Microsoft initially? That's ok, Woz will roll his own, even though he'd never used BASIC). , had a lock on school sales to get them through the hard times. Even when Lisa lost millions and Jobs' Mac was still not really selling well, Wozniak's Apple II series was what kept revenue coming in during lean times. Ron Wayne's decision doesn't seem foolish when seeing how many of these companies didn't make it. He's the guy who walks away from the slot machine when the next one to pull the arm hits the jackpot.
 
Push The Button said:
George had the perfect opportunity to be the bigger man and end this nonsense by congratulating Shatner on his spaceflight last year, but he took the low road then too. Sad.
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That was when I finally lost all patience with Takei and unfollowed & muted him on social media. He's so petty and blinded by his hatred of Shatner that he even implied Shatner wasn't healthy enough to take the space flight. He was probably just upset that no one asked him. The song's tired, man. Just let it go.
 
JonnyQuest037 said:
That was when I finally lost all patience with Takei and unfollowed & muted him on social media. He's so petty and blinded by his hatred of Shatner that he even implied Shatner wasn't healthy enough to take the space flight. He was probably just upset that no one asked him. The song's tired, man. Just let it go.
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Yeah, that was petty and unreasonable of Takei. Even if Shatner has been exactly as awful as Takei described, it really wasn't appropriate to drag in their personality conflict. Whatever else might be true of William Shatner -- and to be honest, I suspect a lot of the negative stories about him are true -- he's still the oldest human being to have ever gone to outer space and that deserves some respect.
 
JonnyQuest037 said:
He's so petty and blinded by his hatred of Shatner that he even implied Shatner wasn't healthy enough to take the space flight. He was probably just upset that no one asked him. The song's tired, man. Just let it go.
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How can you go to outer space without Sulu at the helm?!

Sci said:
Whatever else might be true of William Shatner -- and to be honest, I suspect a lot of the negative stories about him are true -- he's still the oldest human being to have ever gone to outer space and that deserves some respect.
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He was simply rich and famous, he did nothing that actually qualified him to go. I'll save the respect for people that actually help mankind achiever something.
 
I met Takei at a con in 1975. Nice enough guy one on one, but all I remember about his stage appearance was basically begging the fans to write in and get him a part in a movie (FYI, he didn't get it).
 
BillJ said:
He was simply rich and famous, he did nothing that actually qualified him to go. I'll save the respect for people that actually help mankind achiever something.
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He's was a participant in part due to more than a half century of being associated with a subject-relevant, inspirational role--one many in the space program (not just America's) have acknowledged for decades. Further, he's not the first non-astronaut to go into space, so there should be no targeting of Shatner over his achievement. The only one complaining is a bitter asshole who never had temerity or creative fire to make something of himself in that business--other than the hate-filled caricature he's become for nearly 50 years.

Warped9 said:
I’m willing to bet Shatner’s portrayal of Kirk most likely inspired a lot more people over the years than Takei’s portrayal of, well, whomever.
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It has, and I can personally recall individuals saying they wanted to go into the program due to Shatner's portrayal of Kirk (usually citing his spirit and being a great example of an explorer character). On the other hand Takei likely inspired those who loved to tell themselves that they were so vital to a popular production, that it must lead to a solo movie...
 
It's interesting to me that all the if you will little 4 were pretty bitter against and bashing of Shatner for years, decades (and Nimoy at least not unwilling to be critical rather than flattering), Takei has outlived others (I don't think Doohan did tone down his bashing and I can see him continuing and escalating it if he had lived longer) but Walter Koenig, despite also not having much of an acting career before or now, pretty much set aside the bashing.

I'm very indifferent to both Shatner and Takei, I don't really care, or think it's surprising, if Shatner was an egotistical gloryhog or if Takei is still bitter and complaining about it long after.
 
XCV330 said:
Yep. There were hundreds of startups that all had a similar idea. MITS, IMSAI, Cromemco. Even the ones that did shine bright for awhile like Commodore (Hey.. Shatner tie-in. I'm still topical) and Atari eventually flared out. Apple had the genius of the Woz (no money initually to buy MSBasic from Microsoft initially? That's ok, Woz will roll his own, even though he'd never used BASIC). , had a lock on school sales to get them through the hard times. Even when Lisa lost millions and Jobs' Mac was still not really selling well, Wozniak's Apple II series was what kept revenue coming in during lean times. Ron Wayne's decision doesn't seem foolish when seeing how many of these companies didn't make it. He's the guy who walks away from the slot machine when the next one to pull the arm hits the jackpot.
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Per Wikipedia:

Although Apple ended up at one point becoming the most valuable company in the world, he said that with the stress of staying with Apple he "probably would have wound up the richest man in the cemetery."[6] He summarized, "What can I say? You make a decision based on your understanding of the circumstances, and you live with it."[13]

Five years ago, I was President (#2 man) of a software company poised for a sell-out. I was going to be very rich. Then #1 decided he didn't want to sell -- two weeks from my pulling the trigger on sales efforts. He offered me a buy-out at substantially less than what I stood to earn if I stayed in for the long haul.

I took it. Another year, and I'd have been dead from stress. Now I'm semi-retired instead of fully retired, but a hell of a lot happier.
 
And considering Takei's left of center politics, not exactly something he would put on his resume. No wonder he is bitter about Koenig getting all his Sulu parts during his absence from Trek.
 
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