Tuvok is fantastic, top Vulcan character after Spock.
Take Away One Character From Each Series
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I'm breaking House Rules, and going with regulars in any season. My rationale: I don't agree with having one standard for one set of shows and another standard for another set of shows. In order to be totally fair, you have to have the same rules across the board.
TOS - Rand. A tough cut to make, but she was only a regular for the first half of the first season.
TAS - Abstain. It's TOS Season 4, in animated form. I like the additions of Arex and M'Ress. Those are characters they only could've had in the animated series. Especially three-armed, three-legged Arex. And M'Ress is a straight-up humanoid cat. They wouldn't do that in live-action. I won't get rid of the characters who make TAS unique. But I can't bring myself to get rid of the TOS characters either.
TNG - Yar. See above with TOS, except she was there for an almost entire season. Since TNG ran twice as long, that makes Yar's run the equivalent of Rand's, and thus removing her impacts the least.
DS9 - Worf. Like what others have said, they managed to do just fine without him during the first three seasons. Not only that but, later on, Worf turns into a total asshole. By the seventh season, I kept wanting to say, "Go back to the Enterprise already!" I like the character of Worf, but he turned into a real stick in the mud over time. On DS9, I liked Martok better as the Resident Klingon.
VOY - Kim. I'd have gotten rid of Kim before getting rid of Kes. They were doing interesting things with Kes during the third season and allowing the character to grow. Can't say the same about Kim, in any season. At most, they gave the illusion of growth.
ENT - Mayweather. No real shocker there. They could've done so much more with him since he was the Human with the most experience in space, among the crew.
DSC - Adira. We could've gotten by without them in Season 3. The writers could've had a different Trill point Discovery in the direction of Starfleet. During Season 4, Adira becomes a stand-in for Tilly, and Adira's no Tilly.
PIC - Abstain. I think the S1-S2 Cast all served a purpose and a specific function. As far as Season 3, you can't have a TNG Reunion without the entire TNG Cast, Shaw was needed as the antagonistic Captain because Picard & Riker can't just waltz onto the Titan with no pushback. Jack is too important to the season. Unlike others, I like the Raffi character, and Worf needs someone else to interact with before he reunites with the TNG Crew. Raffi is also the most Picard-esque character.
LD - Shax. He does the least for me.
PRO - Abstain. I can't think of anyone to get rid of and none of these characters are the type they'd have in any other Star Trek series. So they're all pretty unique.
SNW - Hemmer. I'm going against the grain here. They can still do more with Ortegas. Hemmer is only in one season, so it changes things the least.
TOS - Rand. A tough cut to make, but she was only a regular for the first half of the first season.
TAS - Abstain. It's TOS Season 4, in animated form. I like the additions of Arex and M'Ress. Those are characters they only could've had in the animated series. Especially three-armed, three-legged Arex. And M'Ress is a straight-up humanoid cat. They wouldn't do that in live-action. I won't get rid of the characters who make TAS unique. But I can't bring myself to get rid of the TOS characters either.
TNG - Yar. See above with TOS, except she was there for an almost entire season. Since TNG ran twice as long, that makes Yar's run the equivalent of Rand's, and thus removing her impacts the least.
DS9 - Worf. Like what others have said, they managed to do just fine without him during the first three seasons. Not only that but, later on, Worf turns into a total asshole. By the seventh season, I kept wanting to say, "Go back to the Enterprise already!" I like the character of Worf, but he turned into a real stick in the mud over time. On DS9, I liked Martok better as the Resident Klingon.
VOY - Kim. I'd have gotten rid of Kim before getting rid of Kes. They were doing interesting things with Kes during the third season and allowing the character to grow. Can't say the same about Kim, in any season. At most, they gave the illusion of growth.
ENT - Mayweather. No real shocker there. They could've done so much more with him since he was the Human with the most experience in space, among the crew.
DSC - Adira. We could've gotten by without them in Season 3. The writers could've had a different Trill point Discovery in the direction of Starfleet. During Season 4, Adira becomes a stand-in for Tilly, and Adira's no Tilly.
PIC - Abstain. I think the S1-S2 Cast all served a purpose and a specific function. As far as Season 3, you can't have a TNG Reunion without the entire TNG Cast, Shaw was needed as the antagonistic Captain because Picard & Riker can't just waltz onto the Titan with no pushback. Jack is too important to the season. Unlike others, I like the Raffi character, and Worf needs someone else to interact with before he reunites with the TNG Crew. Raffi is also the most Picard-esque character.
LD - Shax. He does the least for me.
PRO - Abstain. I can't think of anyone to get rid of and none of these characters are the type they'd have in any other Star Trek series. So they're all pretty unique.
SNW - Hemmer. I'm going against the grain here. They can still do more with Ortegas. Hemmer is only in one season, so it changes things the least.
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Not even on her worst day
Well, you could start your own topic: "Which two characters would you 'Tuvix' in each series?"
It felt to me like some "powers that be" demanded that they keep Kim and dump Kes. And the showrunners responded by crapping on Harry's character at every turn: giving him trainwreck episodes, allowing no character growth, and not promoting him so he would appear incompetent.
Not even on her worst day
Indeed. Ortegas is sassy. Mayweather, while the most competent person in Archer's crew, is also the most easily forgotten.
if I remember correctly the original plan was to kill off Kim in “Scorpion” but they backed off and went with Kes because the actress was beginning to become difficult to work with.
I've heard similar stories about several of the actors. Garrett was reportedly showing up under the influence and wanting to direct but not learning the stuff he needed to know, while Beltran was phoning it in.
Regardless, it was completely petty. And the fact that they're still doing it after nearly 30 years is just ridiculous
If anything, they should've just let Beltran quit like he wanted, rather than pay him the outrageous sums he demanded to stay. That said, I have nothing against Chakotay, even if the writers got a fraud to give them advice about Native Americans.
Garrett Wang wasn't fired because he got on a "50 most beautiful people" list, or something like that.
So they say, and I believe it. The showrunners' determination to degrade the character smacks of petty desire for revenge against a person they wanted to fire but couldn't.
Where the Voyager characters stand in 2402:
Admiral Kathryn Janeway
Captain Tuvok
Captain Seven of Nine
Commander Naomi Wildman
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Ensign Harry Kim
Admiral Kathryn Janeway
Captain Tuvok
Captain Seven of Nine
Commander Naomi Wildman
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Ensign Harry Kim
He was promoted to lieutenant in the Voyager novel Homecoming.
My favorite book version is "The Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway", where Kathryn reveals that she promoted him as her last act as Voyager's captain. Maybe literally minutes after the series ended. Best way to give the showrunners a very well-deserved middle finger. It's also revealed that his career recovered, and he ultimately got his own command. Doesn't say it was the USS Rhode Island, but it would work.
Sadly, Harry's absence from the show wouldn't have affected it much. He and Neelix were decidedly neglected, as was Chakotay in the latter part of the run. Mayweather and Hoshi faced similar issues on ENT, Beverly and Troi and maybe Geordi on TNG. And on DS9, it was... uh... wow. DS9 didn't have one.
Sadly, Harry's absence from the show wouldn't have affected it much. He and Neelix were decidedly neglected, as was Chakotay in the latter part of the run. Mayweather and Hoshi faced similar issues on ENT, Beverly and Troi and maybe Geordi on TNG. And on DS9, it was... uh... wow. DS9 didn't have one.
She flies the ship, other than that…I didn't say she's Mayweather in all ways. Just multiple.
Not canon or in continuity.
Past J.G.? Nice.
And therein lies the problem. Despite Garrett Wang's longtime involvement in the Trek franchise, and stated eagerness to return, the Trek powers that be have been careful not to feature or mention his character in any of the six Kurtzman era shows (including Short Treks). Aside from Boimler saying he had a Kim plate. That means he has been canonically an ensign for nearly 30 years.
But we have a topic for that. This is about characters you'd remove, not characters you'd promote (or not).
In some time lines, in others, he is the captain of the Rhode Island.
TOS (I'm limiting myself to Kirk, Spock and McCoy, the actual main cast, not the minor recurring characters)
McCoy, I get he was the emotional counterpoint to Spock's logic but Kirk could have done that side of the arguments himself, so it feels like he's the most expendable out of the three.
TNG
Riker, I like Frakes but a dedicated first officer felt a bit unnecessary, it makes sense to have one in real life but on a tv show the captain and XO basically have the same job ans the characters could have been merged.
DS9
Worf, wasn't needed and it just led to more klingon stories when they could have used his presence as an excuse for some TNG guest appearances.
VOY
Chakotay, completely unnecessary.
ENT
Reed, I down't like the actor, they could have given may weather more to do with Reed being absent.
DIS
Adira, I appreciate the representation the characters adds but I never warmed up to them. Book is the better 31st century addition.
PIC
Jurati, just because she should have gone to prison after murdering Maddox. Temporary insanity because of scary vision was a weak excuse, she still made the choice to murder him.
LD
Shaxxs, I like him a lot but he got a good death episode and I was okay with that being the end of the character.
SNW
Uhura, I don't like bringing in too many TOS characters. Chapel shouldn't be there either but I do like what her addition ti the show adds to the Spock/Chapel story. Uhura's actress is doing a great job but she should play a different character.
McCoy, I get he was the emotional counterpoint to Spock's logic but Kirk could have done that side of the arguments himself, so it feels like he's the most expendable out of the three.
TNG
Riker, I like Frakes but a dedicated first officer felt a bit unnecessary, it makes sense to have one in real life but on a tv show the captain and XO basically have the same job ans the characters could have been merged.
DS9
Worf, wasn't needed and it just led to more klingon stories when they could have used his presence as an excuse for some TNG guest appearances.
VOY
Chakotay, completely unnecessary.
ENT
Reed, I down't like the actor, they could have given may weather more to do with Reed being absent.
DIS
Adira, I appreciate the representation the characters adds but I never warmed up to them. Book is the better 31st century addition.
PIC
Jurati, just because she should have gone to prison after murdering Maddox. Temporary insanity because of scary vision was a weak excuse, she still made the choice to murder him.
LD
Shaxxs, I like him a lot but he got a good death episode and I was okay with that being the end of the character.
SNW
Uhura, I don't like bringing in too many TOS characters. Chapel shouldn't be there either but I do like what her addition ti the show adds to the Spock/Chapel story. Uhura's actress is doing a great job but she should play a different character.
I'd have liked to see Riker go as well, but mid series, after we see him emerge as the great captain he proved to be in BoBW. Data could have taken over for him then.
I agree, but I think Uhura and Spock as main cast are a reasonable compromise. But I really hope it doesn't turn into "TOS but with different actors", unless the show goes all the way to the start of the TOS timeline (that'd be 7 more seasons, I think).
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