News Syncing Star Trek: Discovery With Short Treks: Calypso

[nic3636]

Not sure if serious...

But in all seriousness, I think this shows poor judgement on the part of Kurtzman and Paradise. It's nice when the Trek universe as a whole hangs together but there's no reason to feel obligated to tie in every little thing. The Calypso Short Trek was a nice little story but entirely insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

I don't really like this implied approach. They should be approaching it from a storytelling standpoint, meaning they only do it if they can organically tell a good story about it. I feel like what we are going to get instead is a tie in for tie in's sake (i.e. there will no purpose to it other than checking the box on having the tie in). Not sure if that makes sense but that's my concern.

 

[Yistaan]

But the Federation and the Emerald Chain weren’t at war. And even if it’s all Craft’s point of view, why did the V’Draysh escape pod have all those ‘Long Ago’ recordings when the Federation didn’t care about that? Only Zora had the Sphere data.

Maybe I missed a line of dialogue or something, but I didn't get the impression that the 20th century cartoons were from the sphere data. The sphere data was alien tech that has thousands of years of information, but those cartoons weren't necessarily part of that. When the sphere data merged with Discovery's computer to become Zora, it just happened to have a fondness for those cartoons in the Federation library.

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe I missed a line of dialogue or something, but I didn't get the impression that the 20th century cartoons were from the sphere data. The sphere data was alien tech that has thousands of years of information, but those cartoons weren't necessarily part of that. When the sphere data merged with Discovery's computer to become Zora, it just happened to have a fondness for those cartoons in the Federation library.

The Sphere was collecting information from all over the galaxy for thousands of years. And even if the cartoons weren’t a part of that data, that still doesn’t change that the Federation didn’t seem enamored with relics from the Long Ago like the V’Draysh seemed to be. Because if they were, they would have been fawning all over the Discovery crew, seeing as how they came from 900 years in the past.

 

[fireproof78]

But in all seriousness, I think this shows poor judgement on the part of Kurtzman and Paradise. It's nice when the Trek universe as a whole hangs together but there's no reason to feel obligated to tie in every little thing. The Calypso Short Trek was a nice little story but entirely insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

I don't really like this implied approach. They should be approaching it from a storytelling standpoint, meaning they only do it if they can organically tell a good story about it. I feel like what we are going to get instead is a tie in for tie in's sake (i.e. there will no purpose to it other than checking the box on having the tie in). Not sure if that makes sense but that's my concern.

But this is what a vocal part of fandom says that it wants.

 

[nic3636]

But this is what a vocal part of fandom says that it wants.

Eh, they should ignore the fans, most of them don't know what the hell they are talking about. Except for me of course, I am an expert on everything.

But seriously, this is a bad thing to bow to the fans on. It's fine to take fan feedback, but they shouldn't be handcuffing themselves in a way that will likely end up reducing the quality of the storytelling.

 

[fireproof78]

Eh, they should ignore the fans, most of them don't know what the hell they are talking about. Except for me of course, I am an expert on everything.

But seriously, this is a bad thing to bow to the fans on. It's fine to take fan feedback, but they shouldn't be handcuffing themselves in a way that will likely end up reducing the quality of the storytelling.

Yeah, but this is the world we live in when it comes to fandom.

 

[nic3636]

Yeah, but this is the world we live in when it comes to fandom.

Yeah but it doesn't have to be this way. Nobody is forcing Kurtzman and Paradise to indulge the fans and in this case it's the wrong decision.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah but it doesn't have to be this way. Nobody is forcing Kurtzman and Paradise to indulge the fans and in this case it's the wrong decision.

Of course it doesn't have to be this way. But it is what it is.

 

[Yistaan]

The Sphere was collecting information from all over the galaxy for thousands of years. And even if the cartoons weren’t a part of that data, that still doesn’t change that the Federation didn’t seem enamored with relics from the Long Ago like the V’Draysh seemed to be. Because if they were, they would have been fawning all over the Discovery crew, seeing as how they came from 900 years in the past.

Maybe the specific Starfleet officers that fought Craft were fans of 20th century material and kept it in their escape pods. I mean stranger things have happened in Trek, like every Klingon that Kirk meets during his five year mission just happening to be an augment virus victim, to the point he assumed Kahless was an augment virus victim too.

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe the specific Starfleet officers that fought Craft were fans of 20th century material and kept it in their escape pods. I mean stranger things have happened in Trek, like every Klingon that Kirk meets during his five year mission just happening to be an augment virus victim, to the point he assumed Kahless was an augment virus victim too.

And your example kinda proves my point. The constant retconning in the effort to make everything 'fit' is really unnecessary. There was no need to give an explanation of why the TOS Klingons look different from the movie/TNG Klingons. They just were. And there's no need to give an explanation as to why there's such a difference between what we saw in Calypso and what we saw in DSC season 3. It just is.

 

[nic3636]

And your example kinda proves my point. The constant retconning in the effort to make everything 'fit' is really unnecessary. There was no need to give an explanation of why the TOS Klingons look different from the movie/TNG Klingons. They just were. And there's no need to give an explanation as to why there's such a difference between what we saw in Calypso and what we saw in DSC season 3. It just is.

I liked how they handled the Klingon look in DS9 Trials and Tribbleations. When O'Brien asks why the Klingons look different, Worf just says "we don't discuss with outsiders". It was perfect, no need to go any further than that.

 

[Dukhat]

I liked how they handled the Klingon look in DS9 Trials and Tribbleations. When O'Brien asks why the Klingons look different, Worf just says "we don't discuss with outsiders". It was perfect, no need to go any further than that.

Exactly. They had no intention of trying to explain it, but they did at least need to address it, so they made it into a funny joke.

 

[nic3636]

Of course it doesn't have to be this way. But it is what it is.

The problem is that if they do it in an attempt to check the box on the checklist, and it ends up being a contrived mess (which seems very likely), those same fans are probably going to be more upset than if they didn't address it at all. So, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Kurtzman and Paradise should know better.

 

[Tuskin38]

Who said they are doing this because of the fans? Why can't they just want to be consistent with another story they did?

Did you people have issue when TNG an DS9 referenced each other and had characters appear?

 

[fireproof78]

Who said they are doing this because of the fans? Why can't they just want to be consistent with another story they did?

Did you people have issue when TNG an DS9 referenced each other and had characters appear?

A small detail; those occured in the same era. Crossovers, while annoying some times, were understandable.

 

[nic3636]

Who said they are doing this because of the fans? Why can't they just want to be consistent with another story they did?

Did you people have issue when TNG an DS9 referenced each other and had characters appear?

It doesn't really matter why they are doing it, whether it be for the fans or because they just want to be consistent. There's also nothing wrong with doing it, assuming they have a good idea for a story.

My issue is that seem to be doing it because they feel obligated to, not because they have a great story idea. I could be wrong. These types of decisions should be driven by the storytelling, not because they feel obligated to the fans or to themselves to make everything tie into each other.

 

[Lord Garth]

They're going to tie into "Calypso" eventually. I'll decide what I think about it when I actually see how they do it. It's either going to be forced, brilliant, or so simple that we won't believe it was right in front of us.

This show is science-fiction teetering on science-fantasy. There are all kinds of things they can do.

I like that "Calypso" gives DSC a destination or endpoint. I like having some sort of sense of the direction they're moving in. This is as good as any. Especially since now they've made Burnham Captain of Discovery. Now that they've reached that Major Turning Point, I think DSC needs another Major Turning Point to move towards.

Enough details are left out to keep us guessing.

 

[Biggles]

There's nothing in the quotes that says they're planning to tie it into Calypso though.

 

[Lord Garth]

There's nothing in the quotes that says they're planning to tie it into Calypso though.

Cutting and Pasting
Paradise confirmed that Discovery is slowly moving in the direction of Calypso. “Calypso has now become part of our canon,” she said. “And it takes place far beyond our time now even, in Season Three. And yeah, eventually we’ll have to find our way there. So that short, in the grand scheme of things, fits together as a piece. In certainly in Season Three, we were beginning that process with Zora — who isn’t quite the Zora we saw in Calypso — but we were getting that process started a little bit of her sparking to life in episode Four, and then coming in and having a bit more of a presence in Twelve and Thirteen. So, we’re starting our way there.”

Michelle Paradise's words, not mine.

The fourth season may not lead into "Calypso" but the series will, eventually.

 

[fireproof78]

It doesn't really matter why they are doing it, whether it be for the fans or because they just want to be consistent. There's also nothing wrong with doing it, assuming they have a good idea for a story.

My issue is that seem to be doing it because they feel obligated to, not because they have a great story idea. I could be wrong. These types of decisions should be driven by the storytelling, not because they feel obligated to the fans or to themselves to make everything tie into each other.

I think it is an obligation storytellers feel in this day and age.