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Swearing in Star Trek - Steve Shives

My dad always let me watch STAR TREK during its original run on NBC, even though I was only a wee tyke, but, honestly, when it came to being scary and disturbing, early TOS was not all that different from the likes of THE TWILIGHT ZONE and THE OUTER LIMITS (which were written by many of the same people who worked on TOS), even if modern-day fans may not realize that if they grew up on TNG instead.
 
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For most of my life, trek has been kid freindly. As in myself watching VHS of old trek at 5 and Tng at 7-8 ish and parents were just fine with it.
Trek doesn't need to be violent, gorish or overly profane to get its point across. Trek needs to be accessible to all ages, that means family freindly. We as adults might not care, but for parents who want to protect there kids, the new shows use of profanity, sex, gore means that it's not safe for kids, and if I was a parent wouldn't let under 10 watch it for that reason.
Basically it doesn't need it. And including it limits the audience.
Even "family friendly" entertainment these days has plenty of profanity, violence and disturbing content. The MCU is prides itself as being films the whole family can enjoy, produced by Disney, a company with a reputation for being family friendly. Yet, the opening scene of Black Widow shows children being carted off into human trafficking.

But really, aside from the fact that there's more profanity, the content of modern Trek is no worse or less appropriate or less family friendly than it was from TOS to Enterprise.
 
Even "family friendly" entertainment these days has plenty of profanity, violence and disturbing content. The MCU is prides itself as being films the whole family can enjoy, produced by Disney, a company with a reputation for being family friendly. Yet, the opening scene of Black Widow shows children being carted off into human trafficking.

I haven't seen it, but I presume that Black Widow is against the idea of human trafficking.
 
I recall being scared by the Salt Vampire as a seven year old.

It's still creepy makeup. So much so that Trek 2009 recycled the design with only a slight modern twist for footage that got deleted from the film.
 
Well, yes, but still, it's a pretty heavy subject to be showing in a movie you know kids are going to be watching.

The thing about the MCU, and all movies these days that hope to make over $200 million, is that they have to be PG-13 in the United States. Nothing less, nothing more. PG movies are for little kids, and they won't make money. R movies don't even allow children anymore, sadly.

So every movie, ever, with a chance at winning back their investment, has to have some heavy subjects, or a profanity or two, in order to convince a super-secret cabal of soccer moms that this is worthy of that coveted rating.

13-year-olds can, and probably should, be exposed to the existence of human trafficking, and how it's a bad thing and superheroes should stop it.
 
R movies don't even allow children anymore, sadly.
Aside from one or two films I honestly can't say that's a bad thing right away. Obviously that will be down to very parent's decision and such, but personally I would rather be watching it at home with my kids so I know I can have a conversation with them afterwards.
 
The movie ratings system is a mess, these days.

In 1968, it was a vast improvement over the "Hays Code" (which was itself a vast improvement over the absolute freedom, untempered by any sense of responsibility, that had preceded it), but it was far from perfect.

The thing to remember is that it was never intended to be anything other than an indication of suitability for children. (And the one absolute, non-negotiable requirement for a seat on the ratings board is that one must be a parent.) And it was intended to say as little as possible about the content (presumably to avoid spoilers). And it was intended to give moviemakers enough artistic freedom to differentiate their product from television (which, at the time, had to be, as somebody who wrote an early Star Trek nonfiction book [David Gerrold?] put it, "as inoffensive as vanilla pudding").

As originally conceived, it was a system of G (General audiences), M (Mature subject matter), R (Restricted), and the deliberately non-trademarked X (children not admitted). The flaw there was that a substantial number of people thought "M" was more restrictive than "R." So it changed to GP (General audiences, Parental guidance suggested). But that looked like "General Public." So it became PG.

That worked very well at first. There were serious films that got G ratings (2001, the original Airport, True Grit, Rio Lobo, The Andromeda Strain, Fiddler on the Roof, and the original Planet of the Apes, among close to 200 G-rated films between 1968 and 1972), and there were non-pornographic ones that got X ratings (e.g., Midnight Cowboy and A Clockwork Orange).

But then, producers started gaming the system. On the one extreme, we got a whole genre of "dumb movies rated G for kids," and on the other, we got such artistic masterpieces (or is it masturpieces) as The New Erotic Adventures of Casanova. Pretty soon, only PG and R were available for mainstream movies, and producers felt they had no choice but to aim for PG, regardless of the subject matter. So PG became so swollen that it had to fission, spawning off PG-13. And NC-17 was added, in a not-terribly-successful attempt to allow an X-equivalent that didn't carry connotations of pornography).

The biggest mistake, in my opinion, was the stubborn refusal to give reasons for ratings until the system had already been gamed nearly to the point of irrelevancy.

In a perfect world, the movie ratings system would be as it was at its inception: ratings would carry no positive or negative connotations. And it would be treated as nothing more than a guide for parents, as Valenti had intended.

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Back to the matter of swearing, comics have raised the depiction of swearing without actually saying anything obscene to a high art, (known in the business as "grawlixes"), and nobody was better at it than the man who first coined the term, Mort Walker, creator of Beetle Bailey.

There's a lengthy passage in David Gerrold's The Galactic Whirlpool about Starfleet curses. Pretty much the first page of Chapter 9. The key paragraph is
Scatological, sexual and religious-based curses, of course, were regarded as the work of amateurs. To be worthy of respect, a curse should arouse simultaneous sensations of pain and laughter in the listeners; it should bring tears to the eyes; indeed, a truly inspired oath should create ripples in the stress field itself and make all listeners within three parsecs turn around and stare in shock and admiration. A mild Starfleet curse should curdle an egg in its shell; a strong one should do it before the egg has even been laid.

Obscenity in literature (or in conversation) is like hot spices in food. And "fuck" and "motherfucker" are the "Creole Torpedo," i.e., cayenne pepper. But not many people like all their food to have Scoville ratings north of 25k.
 
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"Jim, what the Hell kinda strategy is this?!?"

Another example of less-than-second grader-friendly material in TMP.
 
My point.

Even after the G rating had been more-or-less given over to "dumb movies rated G for kids," mainstream G movies were still possible. Just (ouside of Disney animation) vanishingly rare.
 
Never forget: Star Trek: The Motion Picture is the only G-rated film in the franchise.

Expose your children to the nightmarish transporter malfunction that befalls Sonak and his companion.

"What we got back didn't live long. Fortunately." <- line from a G-rated film.
And a G movie more scarring than a lot of other films I saw around the same time.
 
I went to see the Watchmen movie in theatres back when it released, which was rated R btw, and there was someone there with what sounded like 4-5 year old kids. I couldn't see them, they were behind me, but they sounded that young.

Either they didn't care, didn't see the movie rating, or thought it was family friendly because it was a superhero movie, without actually looking up what it was.

Or something else, who knows.
 
My point.

Even after the G rating had been more-or-less given over to "dumb movies rated G for kids," mainstream G movies were still possible. Just (ouside of Disney animation) vanishingly rare.

And even that is vanishing.

Some PG rated films this year (unlike TMP, be cautious around sending your children):
* The Boss Baby: Family Business
* Sing 2
* Clifford the Big Red Dog
* The Croods: A New Age
* Spy Cat
* Stardog and Turbocat
* Trolls World Tour
 
Meh. I'm an 80s kid: family friendly means something different to me (see G/PG films from the 80s and earlier like Back to the Future, Monster Squad, Goonies, Ghostbusters, Gremlins, Jaws, Poltergeist, Arthur, Airplane!, Watership Down, Bad News Bears, Temple of Doom, Planet of the Apes, 2001, Gone With the Wind, Grease, Andromeda Strain, The Graduate, Beetlejuice, Harold and Maude, Barbarella, Goldfinger, Top Secret, Dr Strangelove, Monty Python and the Holy Grail...).

Colorful and sometimes forceful means of expression? Sure, it can be used like that, but in my experience, I could NEVER have a serious conversation with people who curse excessively, and historically, its been used as a way to insult others intentionally or it was a reaction to violent emotional outbursts.

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Meh. I'm an 80s kid: family friendly means something different to me (see G/PG films from the 80s and earlier like Back to the Future, Monster Squad, Goonies, Ghostbusters, Gremlins, Jaws, Poltergeist, Arthur, Airplane!, Watership Down, Bad News Bears, Temple of Doom, Planet of the Apes, 2001, Gone With the Wind, Grease, Andromeda Strain, The Graduate, Beetlejuice, Harold and Maude, Barbarella, Goldfinger, Top Secret, Dr Strangelove, Monty Python and the Holy Grail...).



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I was also born in the 80-ies and in a curse permeating environment (well, usually when situations were 'emotionally charged' - my parents would end up losing temper, started cursing, etc.). And up until I was about 20 years old, I noticed I was reproducing that kind of behavior from my parents.
So I thought to myself: 'there has to be a better way to deal with situations and not use curse words'. So I started meditating and attempted to control my emotions as an experiment to see if I can change my behavior.
Took a few months, but it happened. I also studied the basic principles of scientific method and began educating myself in different subjects.
By the time I was done, my personality was so different than that of my family that I couldn't relate to them anymore... and it was excessively difficult for them to relate to me in turn.

I don't really equate 'family friendly' in the same manner as most people do.
I simply think Trek can get its points across without profanities.
And I like it when people push themselves to find alternate solutions to pre-existing issues... and when you see writers NOT using same methods as people use in everyday life, it opens up... possibilities (or at least it prompts you to think that maybe there are ways to deal with these issues and not fall into the same repetitive patterns that were passed down from one generation to the next).
It also demonstrates that humans are more than capable of change when there is an active will to do so... but its also much easier if it comes from others (which unfortunately, I didn't have).

For me, its possible that VOY and TNG prompted me to try and think differently.
 
The first SW movie could have been a G. So could CE3K. So could ET. But a conscious decision was made to deliberately avoid the G.

And I thought of a much more recent (2019) general interest movie that went out with a G rating: Todd Miller's Apollo 11.

(For the record, IMDB says that the original Apollo 11 theatrical documentary, Gibson & Coe's Footprints on the Moon, also carried a G rating; the DVD packaging, however, calls it unrated.)
 
Once Roy Neary's family started dissolving and broke up and his extramarital feelings for Jillian appear Close Encounters was never going to be a G-rated film. Plus the '70s penchant for government conspiracies to cover up things added an element of adult content that by itself would likely have driven the movie into a PG rating.
 
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