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SW blu-rays have changes to the films again

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Uh no they didn't. I watched it over and over. And certainly, if nothing else it's debateable to the point that we can't see the hit (even if it happened, which it didn't) that Stoklasa's point of the ship not getting hit is valid thanks to poor directing.
 
Uh no they didn't. I watched it over and over.

You missed it over and over.

Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
And certainly, if nothing else it's debateable to the point that we can't see the hit (even if it happened, which it didn't) that Stoklasa's point of the ship not getting hit is valid

It's not valid, because we can see the ship getting hit. That's what the camera shake ( something with no other explanation ) is for. A claim which is proven false by examination of the film is not a valid point. Criticism of a rewrite of the film is not valid criticism of the actual film.
 
If we saw a cutaway to the ship getting hit, if it was an important point that the ship gets hit, at least important enough that Lucas would have showed it, you might have a point on that one criticism only. But you don't and it doesn't get around the fact that Stoklasa's overall point is as valid as ever.
 
The ship was shot at, but never hit, after Artoo's repairs. I love the little guy, but he didn't save one got-durn life there.

Red Letter Media rocks!!!
 
The sound effects and the camera sharking imply that they take two hits, best as I can tell.

I can see why RLM dude would miss that, and I'm not convinced that it invalidates his point. I mean, what, they wouldn't have survived those shots if the shields didn't come back? They took some other hits there. It didn't seem like death was imminent, and yes, like 2 seconds after he fixes the shield they're home free. Would have made more sense if they were trying to get the hyperdrive online or something.

Regardless of how the logic holds up, it's not a very good scene.
 
The ship was shot at, but never hit, after Artoo's repairs.

Not true. We can see the ship get hit after Artoo's repairs.

Yoda said:
The sound effects and the camera sharking imply that they take two hits, best as I can tell.

Yes! To Unidentified Tridactyl Species Jedi Master you listen!

Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
if it was an important point that the ship gets hit, at least important enough that Lucas would have showed it

The film did show it. Those aren't speed bumps.

Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
it doesn't get around the fact that Stoklasa's overall point is as valid as ever.

Stoklasa misrepresents the content of the film, with this being one example. The fact remains that he claims something inconsistent with what is actually depicted in the film. If there's some "point" which that misrepresentation is intended to make, it only applies to the alternate reality in which the film actually conforms to Stoklasa's misrepresentations. We can see that the real film does not.
 
Not true. We can see the ship get hit after Artoo's repairs.
Yeah, but not after the shields come back online.

"Powers back! That little droid did it; bypassed the main power drive!"

*hit*

"Deflector shields up at maximum."

No hits.

However, I guess you could argue that a deflector shield deflects hence them not being on the receiving end of any direct hits.
 
The point of the rebuttal is that the majority of Stoklasa's claims are either false, inconsistent with the spirit of the OT, inconsistent with one another, misguided, or otherwise not substantive. You can call that "missing the point" if you must, but in that case you seem to miss the point that Stoklasa's false statements and failed arguments reflect poorly on the alleged merits of his review.
RLM's main argument is that the Star Wars prequels are mediocre, poorly planned-out movies with flat characters, a ramshackle and unnecessarily byzantine plot, bland, unengaging performances and a haphazard, uninspired direction by George Lucas. It has very little to do with continuity nitpicking or - God help me - shield generators. If you can't see that, you're either intellectually dishonest or blind.
 
When I came into this thread I believed that the RLM reviews were funny and pretty insightful, but probably not flawless.

Thanks to Set Harth's efforts I'm starting to wonder if maybe they are. RLM must have hit pretty close to the mark to get him all riled up like that.
 
Jesus Christ, this thread is annoyingly amusing. All of you guys should probably lean back a second and think about what the fuck you're actually wasting precious hours of your life for.
 
You should probably lean back a second and think about what the fuck you're actually wasting precious hours of your life for.

Now it is. ;)

Right now I wasted about 5 minutes. This thread has been about friggin' shield generators for 5 pages now.


And the most hilarious of all things is that you guys are attacking each other about someone else's opinion. :guffaw:
 
Once again, the film never says that main power was down, and the concept that main power was down does not fit what we see in the film. We see nothing on the ship stop working besides the shields. The shield generator was hit.
Exactly. When I said main power, I meant power for the shields.
What he announces is that they're at maximum strength, which is not the same thing as being up at lesser strength. If the shields were not up before that, how is it that the ship conveniently takes hits without apparent effect?
That is exactly what I said. The shields were losing power, or were down. R2 fixed the power. The pilot says R2 "bypassed the main power drive". When the shields reached maximum strength, after the pilot announced so, the ship accelerated away and was never hit.

If R2 did anything, it was to get the ship enough power to speed up and away from the blockade. But then, that was never very clear from the film. I thought R2 was fixing the shields, not the engines. But what else would the "main power drive" affect?
If you refuse to admit it, that means it never happened.
I'm glad we are in agreement. It never happened.
 
Right now I wasted about 5 minutes. This thread has been about friggin' shield generators for 5 pages now.
Eh. I've spent maybe 30 minutes in total typing shit out. Time wasted? Probably. But so is sitting in my chair scratching my ass for 30 minutes, which I have been known to do.
And the most hilarious of all things is that you guys are attacking each other about someone else's opinion. :guffaw:
Agreed. Except where one side claims that the opinions are "truth" and the other set of opinions are "lies". Then claims the other side is a "cult" or "religion".

Either way, it's a crazy argument.
 
Right now I wasted about 5 minutes. This thread has been about friggin' shield generators for 5 pages now.
Eh. I've spent maybe 30 minutes in total typing shit out. Time wasted? Probably. But so is sitting in my chair scratching my ass for 30 minutes, which I have been known to do.
And the most hilarious of all things is that you guys are attacking each other about someone else's opinion. :guffaw:
Agreed. Except where one side claims that the opinions are "truth" and the other set of opinions are "lies". Then claims the other side is a "cult" or "religion".

Either way, it's a crazy argument.

And one that has seen better days to be certain. Time to lay this thread to rest. Not the argument, as it probably has more lives than Dracula.

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