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SW blu-rays have changes to the films again

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Howard the Duck? Willow?:guffaw:
Exactly what I was thinking. Lucas knows he got incredibly lucky with the original film, and was able to spin it so that everything that made the first great was his and only his "vision". He's a great business man, and a special effects artists, but has milked his one and only good film for the past 35 years.

But Lucas could easily have made other good films between Jedi and TPM. That was a good 16 years!
 
Why would Spielberg have more power on Indiana Jones than Irvin Kershner or Richard Marquand have on Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi?
Because he's Steven Spielberg and they're, like, incredibly not?

Hm, yeah, but how does that look like in a contract:

Spielberg's: "Nobody fucks with it!"
Kershner's: "You may fuck with it."

?


That's the question. Is Lucas by contract not allowed to change anything in the Indiana Jones movies or does he like Indiana Jones better than Star Wars?
 
Whining fanboys who had their childhoods "raped" will complain about it, but even most of THEM will still buy whatever comes out first.

I think that ship has sailed. Most "whining fanboys" have been on this ride too many times to give Lucas more money.

Now, excuse me, I've got to go to eBay and research on a LD player and a certain LD set.

The cynic in me disagrees. This thing will sell like gangbusters because of the completists, the whiners who want to pick it all apart (all over again) and the people who don't know any better but still want the "better" editions on Blu-Ray.

More power to 'em. As someone above said, all this does is wane my interest in Star Wars even more. Oh well.
 
Why would Spielberg have more power on Indiana Jones than Irvin Kershner or Richard Marquand have on Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi?
Because he's Steven Spielberg and they're, like, incredibly not?

Hm, yeah, but how does that look like in a contract:

Spielberg's: "Nobody fucks with it!"
Kershner's: "You may fuck with it."

?


That's the question. Is Lucas by contract not allowed to change anything in the Indiana Jones movies or does he like Indiana Jones better than Star Wars?


I'm willing to bet that in pretty much ALL of Spielberg's contracts he gets final cut. (And really why wouldn't you give it to him?) AND, Lucas and Spielberg ARE Indiana Jones. They probably co-own the material. So, Lucas really couldn't do much without Spielberg.

The guys that directed Empire and Jedi, totally hired guns. They were Lucas's movies, even if he didn't directly direct them.
 
It probably helps that there's probably not much about the Indy Trilogy that NEEDS fixing. The special effects are few and far between, and those that do look outdated can be much more readily accepted as being in the spirit of the 1930s serials Indy is based on.

With SW, I think it's only the story and tone that Lucas ever wanted to reflect that 30s spirit. The effects were always meant to stand on their own and look as modern and high-tech as possible.
 
The one Indy change in the DVD release that I can think of is that the cobra reflections were removed from the Well of Souls scene.
 
So, in another forum, someone tells me that the dvd deleted scenes aren't included in the blu-ray sets?

Anyone with the set cares to confirm?

The deleted scenes are only included in the special 9-disc set containing both the OT and PT. You can buy the PT-only set, or the OT-only set, but those will not contain the deleted scenes.

The deleted scenes that were included in the 2 disc prequel releases are not included in this set.

There's some nice gems in there - not seen all yet - but the quality varies. Some are near mute or have the wrong voices.
 
The Arc of the Covenant is going to be replaced by a trunk/coffee table from Pottery Barn.

Hello marketing tie-in! Cha-CHING!
 
From what I'm seeing the big docu from the TPM DVD isn't on there either. If so, that's a shame. It was great.
 
Ultimately, for me the issue isn't prequels or re-cutting scenes or double-dipping. It's about the lack of creativity that is inherent in sequels. The original Star Wars was a spectacular movie. It had a beginning, a middle, and an END. It should have ended there, but Lucas was greedy, and we got "I am your father", aka "the beloved mentor from the previous film is a lying bastard". We got teddy bears with spears. We got a love triangle that was resolved with a little incest. We got the Holiday special with Art Carney. We got 2 (count 'em!) 2 bad made-for-TV Ewok films. We got 2 (count 'em!) 2 pathetic Saturday morning '80's 'toons. We got the god-awful Special Editions, with their Greedo shoots first and their CG Jabba and their pointless CG corner clutter and dumb sound FX. We got the horrible prequels, with their lame characters, lame acting, pathetic dialog, and questionable continuity. We got that lame Clone Wars movie, with its stiff, goofy CG Thunderbirds puppets, and a lame series on Cartoon Network that underwhelms at every turn. And let's not forget billions of dollars of cheap plastic merchandise that is over-burdening our planets' many landfills.
You would've had something in all that if you hadn't started by dissing TESB.... :vulcan:
 
Now that the sets are (almost) here, who's taking bets for when a BD double-dip will take place with the original versions of the OT? Remember it was stated that the original versions were unsuitable for DVD release, too, but they magically showed up. (Ditto the un-remastered Star Trek TOS which also showed up on BD).

Did you miss large stretches of the thread? The ones where we talked about how the original film masters for the first trilogy were altered to make the 1997 special editions, making a simple direct remastering of the originals in HD impossible? The ones where we talked, ad nauseum, about how the original versions released on DVD were of noticeably inferior quality even compared to the DVD special editions, hell, even compared to the laserdisks from which they were duplicated?

This talking point gets brought up quite a bit, but at least in the case of the first movie, there's a salt mine in Kansas that holds a master of it.
 
This talking point gets brought up quite a bit, but at least in the case of the first movie, there's a salt mine in Kansas that holds a master of it.

I've also heard that Spielberg also has a master of ANH. It might be difficult getting him to let go of his copy though...
 
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