Porkins is my favorite. I would support this change!
I still can't believe they named the fat pilot Porkins.
SW blu-rays have changes to the films again
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Porkins is my favorite. I would support this change!
I still can't believe they named the fat pilot Porkins.
Porkins is my favorite. I would support this change!
I still can't believe they named the fat pilot Porkins.
They named the squid-looking guys Mon Calamari, they weren't exactly subtle with their names.
To each his own. The only way I can see those releases looking good is if you're still watching on an old box tube. On hi def TVs they look like shit. You're seeing all most as much black as you are picture. But again, if you're cool with that then good. But most people excpect more from today's age of high definition. Even regular free programming isn't broadcast in that format anymore.
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The director of TMP, Robert Wise, was consulted for the changes in that film...hence it being called "The Director's Edition". Most changes were to fix bits that had been left unfinished because the movie had been rushed into the thaters to meet a schedule.
Yeah, but for Trek remastered project, they preserved the originals, and you can select what version to watch on the blu-rays. They cleaned up the originals even the effects shots that were replaced with the new CGI effects. So A+ for Paramount in preserving the originals.
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Indeed, Paramount's restoration product preserved and enhanced the original movie.
The SW-R movies are actually altered beyond just inserting new effects. Real, actual, changes have been made that alter the movie itself.
The SW-R movies are actually altered beyond just inserting new effects. Real, actual, changes have been made that alter the movie itself.
I'm sure you'd many many TOS purists (where is The God Thing tjhese days?) would disagree.
Yep. Each and every one signed off on by the creator of the saga.
There's plenty of TOS purists who didn't like the changes made to TOS and to TMP but, guess what? The original versions of the series and movie are, in fact, available in a modern format.
And to their credit when the changes were made those making the changes did their best to make the changes consistent and with out altering the basic foundations of the episode/movie and even corrected the inconsistencies in the movie/show. (Probably the biggest thing with TOS-R being the end-caps of the nacelles which constantly changed between episodes and even within episodes.)
What were the biggest controversies when TMP-R was made (at the time the only version available)? That V'Ger's size was changed to something less insane? Changing the "memory wall" of Enterprises so that the picture of never seen or heard of previous "Enterprise" (that was an early version of the ship before TOS) to the NX-01? The wide-shot of the crew walking away from the Enterprise's hull (actually storyboarded but not feasible to produce at the time)?
As I recall many of the changes made to TMP were along those lines, just making the decades-old effects look better with new CGI models and effects. What was NOT added:
Countless CGI bullshit to pretty much every single scene possible.
Shitty-looking CGI models of characters. (like Jabba in ANH.)
Making a massive change to an establishing moment for a character.
And, oh yeah, eventually the original, un-altered, version of TMP was made available.
Nothing that was done with TMP and TOS in their re-done/remastered versions compares to what Lucas has done with Star Wars over the course of the last 15 years or so.
Where scene after scene of CGI nonsense is added that looks horrible and in some cases changes the tone of the film, and then massive character changes and through it all they never corrected the problems that actually are there and need fixing to say nothing about inconsistent lightsaber effects.
If all Lucas did was go through and remove old effects shots with new CGI ones and maybe added some CGI flare here and there (most of the Mos Eisley stuff better establishes it as this seedy space port, then there's things like the animals that block the camera and make absurd-looking mounts for tiny humanoid creatures) it'd be fine. Replacing the "Wolfman" alien in the cantina? Hey, that's fine. The CGI versions of the Falcon lifting off? Fine.
The CGI space battles? Fine.
The CGI expansion of Cloudy City? Beautiful.
Jedi Rocks? Horrible.
Jabba meeting with Han? A scene overall that I don't have a problem with (though it does mute the intro of the Falcon later on) other than it looks like shit. Jabba looks nothing like the version seen in ROTJ and Han's "walk over" Jabba is stupid.)
Greedo shooting first? WTF?!?!?!?
None of that compares to the shuttlepod's tour around the new Enterprise being slightly less grand with the CGI as opposed to the actual model shots.
What Lucas has done is a galaxy far, far, away from what was done with TMP and TOS-R.
And, again, people who prefer the unmolested versions of that show and movie still have them available to them in a cleaned-up modern format. For people who want the same for Star Wars? The best they can do is the shitty-looking non-anamorphic rips from the Laser Discs versions made decades ago.
It's an artistic choice, just as the TMP: DE and TOS-R ones were.
Not offering the OT in the format or quality you want is just the reality of the situation.
Just because you (or even most) disagree with those choices doesn't make them invalid.
And that they want to make those choices doesn't make them valid either. Considering they wouldn't have the ability or resources to do so were it not for the legions of fans they have.
That Lucas continues to ignore fans he's had for a generation and their demands for the same movies they fell in love with in the theaters is pretty much thumbing his nose at them and saying he doesn't give a crap about them and they money they've given him that keeps him encased in plaid 24/7.
That Lucas continues to ignore fans he's had for a generation and their demands for the same movies they fell in love with in the theaters is pretty much thumbing his nose at them and saying he doesn't give a crap about them and they money they've given him that keeps him encased in plaid 24/7.
Since the Dvd version of the original version looks nothing like that, what's your point?
Nope. I'm glad you're happy with the way the theatrical edits were presented, but they're sourced from an outdated, non-anamorphic transfer that isn't any good. That fans are willing to pay $40 for a used copy of this is pretty indicative of how they feel about the special editions/2004 DVD editions/whatever, too.
It's good enough.
A copy of the original version is the only way Lucas will get any more of my money.
His choices with his work are perfectly valid to him, I'm sure.
If the legions were so unhappy I'd expect to see the blu-rays at the bottom of the sales rankings then. Somehow I doubt that'll be the case.
For you, it clearly is. For just about every DVD reviewer out there, the imperfections are quite apparent. The aspect ratio is 4x3 letter box instead of 16x9 anamorphic. The same transfer that was used for the laser discs two decades ago has been reused, rather than one utilizing better technology of the present to create a new one. A 2.0 stereo sound mix, rather than a 5.1 sound mix.
But, no need to make this point again.
Yes, it's the original! Wasn't that the point?
The original 1977 release of ANH was in 2.0 stereo. I don't see why people that want the original versions should complain about that.
That one was not done...it was something that some fans wanted for continuity's sake, but they left in the ringship.
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