JohnM, I have read enough of your rants and silly posts here in this forum and in TNZ to know you just aren't worth bothering with.
Sussman Responds to Cogley!
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Posted by Dr. Bashir:
Posted by emily_reich:
now. now.... just cuz YOU don't like them doesn't mean that S&S are bad just cuz they write best (in the opinion of many, including myself) on a show that you just happen to not like...
seriously... you could at least be nice to him for caring about the viewers enough to even post...
Well perhaps I should have thanked MikeSussman for showing up, but in my original post I clearly stated and stressed that I mean nothing personal against him as a person.
I feel that they need to know what our opinions and feelings on VOY and ENT are. Berman seemed to be genuienly dumbfounded on why NEM failed. If we aren't honest with them about what we think of VOY, NEM, and ENT then we aren't helping out the Trek franchise.
Then email or write a letter if you're pissed off about something or want to tell them how wrong they are. Dont bring that dren here.
Pick up a pencil and write a letter to Mr Berman or Mr Sussman if you DO NOT like what you see.
Ok. Its not that hard.
it is only your opinion that they need help (just cuz some people might agree doesn't mean it's "right")... and personally i enjoyed VOY, ENT, adn nemesis...
Hopefully we won't scare MikeSussman away like we did DavidAGoodman for a while with childish stuff exactly like this...come on, guys, this chance doesn't come along that often, please don't ruin it for those of us who would like to take advantage of it in a calm, civilized manner.
Show me where did I called MikeSussman a name?
Are you talking about the special ed remark? That's directed to the quality of Voyager and ENT. Someone said that S&S are the best writers on ENT. Well ENT is mind numbingly boring and it isn't much of a show. ENT is not the Mystery Science Theater howler that VOY was, but it's a pretty good cure for insomnia.
Posted by TorontoTrekker:
I don't want to sound like I'm sucking up - Ghu forbid!
Your position is, simply put, untenable.
Quite the opposite.
The reasoning is simple: our reviews are based on what we see, not what Mr. Sussman writes. I DO actually appreciate that there was an attempt to clean things up, canonically. I'm annoyed that it didn't make it in.
But the fact remains the criticism is based on what we saw, not what was attempted to be shown, and thus, it still stands. If anyone's position is untenable, it is the one of Mr Sussman, in trying to assert what simply is NOT there. Although, once again, I do appreciate the intent.
In retrospect, I shouldn't have been so damn insulting in with my wording. For that, I apologize. I should show more respect, as Samuel T. Cogley has said, because it is a good thing that a writer IS taking the time out of his life to stop by and read some ass kissing and a fair chunk of unforgiving criticism.
Without being told so by Mr. Sussman, what motivates me in any way to believe the Borg cleaned up the wreckage? Nothing. In fact, nobody really brought up the possibility until Mr. Sussman asserted it here in this thread... afaik..
Posted by Raz:
Posted by TorontoTrekker:
I don't want to sound like I'm sucking up - Ghu forbid!
Your position is, simply put, untenable.
Quite the opposite.
The reasoning is simple: our reviews are based on what we see, not what Mr. Sussman writes. I DO actually appreciate that there was an attempt to clean things up, canonically. I'm annoyed that it didn't make it in.
But the fact remains the criticism is based on what we saw, not what was attempted to be shown, and thus, it still stands. If anyone's position is untenable, it is the one of Mr Sussman, in trying to assert what simply is NOT there. Although, once again, I do appreciate the intent.
In retrospect, I shouldn't have been so damn insulting in with my wording. For that, I apologize. I should show more respect, as Samuel T. Cogley has said, because it is a good thing that a writer IS taking the time out of his life to stop by and read some ass kissing and a fair chunk of unforgiving criticism.
Without being told so by Mr. Sussman, what motivates me in any way to believe the Borg cleaned up the wreckage? Nothing. In fact, nobody really brought up the possibility until Mr. Sussman asserted it here in this thread... afaik..
You should be sorry.
And for the left over Borg, the stuff in the Artic, ect... I always thought we would see this explained in future episodes. Its not like this is the very last episode of Enterprise.
Next Week On springer.... 
Thanks for dropping in sussman.
I havent'd done a review of the ep, having downloaded a copy (illegal boy) but im English so it'll take a few weeks to see big screen (which i will).
I personally thought it was a well rounded episode.
Would just like to ask why the Phase Pistols lasted 6/7/8 drones on the Borg Shuttle, and just 2 on ENT..that would be my only REAL problem.
I'm not so fussed with continuity...so long as it all makes sense on a basic level i will agnore in depth breaches...after-all. It is but a tv show.
Thanks for dropping in sussman.
I havent'd done a review of the ep, having downloaded a copy (illegal boy) but im English so it'll take a few weeks to see big screen (which i will).
I personally thought it was a well rounded episode.
Would just like to ask why the Phase Pistols lasted 6/7/8 drones on the Borg Shuttle, and just 2 on ENT..that would be my only REAL problem.
I'm not so fussed with continuity...so long as it all makes sense on a basic level i will agnore in depth breaches...after-all. It is but a tv show.
Posted by Yellow scientist:
Next Week On springer....
Thanks for dropping in sussman.
I havent'd done a review of the ep, having downloaded a copy (illegal boy) but im English so it'll take a few weeks to see big screen (which i will).
I personally thought it was a well rounded episode.
Would just like to ask why the Phase Pistols lasted 6/7/8 drones on the Borg Shuttle, and just 2 on ENT..that would be my only REAL problem.
I'm not so fussed with continuity...so long as it all makes sense on a basic level i will agnore in depth breaches...after-all. It is but a tv show.
Not all the phase pistols were recalibrated I guess?? Remember there's many phase pistols. Reed said lets try and recalibrate as many as we can.
Archer and Reed took the phase pistols that were recalibrated. They didnt think the Borg would board Enterprise so not all the phase pistols were recalibrated.
that actually sounds reasonable...
Yea, remember the beginning. There was only what?? 4 or 5 phase pistols??
Now its been over 2 years in space. There's many phase pistols now. There's even Phase rifles now.
Reed didnt recalibrate every phase pistol and phase rifle on Enterprise. They only recalibrated the ones they needed to board the transport.
There wasnt much time before they arrived at the Borg transport so Reed just did what he could in the amount of time he had.
Sucks for those crew members who didnt have recalibrated phase pistols. They still got away though!
Someone else has pointed this out before, so i'll paraphrase:
Watch the recalibration scene. Once the pistol works, Reed (apparently) picks up a phase rifle. Yet neither Archer nor Reed HAVE that rifle.. neither do any of the crewmen. They left a perfectly good, calibrated weapon behind?
Nothing? We have seen Borg remove their technology when they leave on other episodes. This is consistent with what we have seen before.
Also using your own logic (which I also mentioned in a post above), there was no on screen evidence that they didn't clean up the wreckage.
Posted by JohnM:
Posted by Dr. Bashir:
Posted by emily_reich:
now. now.... just cuz YOU don't like them doesn't mean that S&S are bad just cuz they write best (in the opinion of many, including myself) on a show that you just happen to not like...
seriously... you could at least be nice to him for caring about the viewers enough to even post...
Well perhaps I should have thanked MikeSussman for showing up, but in my original post I clearly stated and stressed that I mean nothing personal against him as a person.
I feel that they need to know what our opinions and feelings on VOY and ENT are. Berman seemed to be genuienly dumbfounded on why NEM failed. If we aren't honest with them about what we think of VOY, NEM, and ENT then we aren't helping out the Trek franchise.
Then email or write a letter if you're pissed off about something or want to tell them how wrong they are. Dont bring that dren here.
Pick up a pencil and write a letter to Mr Berman or Mr Sussman if you DO NOT like what you see.
Ok. Its not that hard.
I didn't realize you are the god of these boards that gets to determine who can post and who cannot. Oh wait you aren't. Thank goodness for the rest of us.
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