The stand-in actually looks a bit shorter to me. I think it's just the camera angle that creates the illusion of her being taller than the Hartnell double for part of the shot.
Susan Foreman question
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Are we sure what Leela's life span is, she is from a massively distant point upstream in human development. Although I'd cite her potential longevity on genegineering, rather than clumsy old Evolution.
K9 was from the year 5000, and still that tin dog was ancient history to this noble savage.
In (some of) her audio stories, "Gallifrey" slowed down her ageing process, but when she went off planet, for some reason, whatever was holding her in check, stopped and Leela's appearance went on fast forward towards wizened crone.
^ I'm only aware of Leela from her appearance on the actual show - in which case there's no indication she would have anything other than a normal human lifespan. And since the Sevateem were being bred to be warriors, they probably wouldn't live long anyway.
What is normal for a human from the year 10,000?
River Became a Timehead from being conceived/gestated in the Time Vortex
Ian and Barbara haven't aged a day in 40 years according to SarahJane (lates 20s or early 30s on show, late 60s early 70s, 40 years later)
Seems to me, that's enough to see possibility that Leela might not age quickly on Gallifrey. Plus there's also this:
The audios (I think it was audio, not show) tell us the Time Lords became Time Lords via travelling through the Time Vortex
Ian and Barbara haven't aged a day in 40 years according to SarahJane (lates 20s or early 30s on show, late 60s early 70s, 40 years later)
Seems to me, that's enough to see possibility that Leela might not age quickly on Gallifrey. Plus there's also this:
The audios (I think it was audio, not show) tell us the Time Lords became Time Lords via travelling through the Time Vortex
But they must still be biologically different from humans, what with the two hearts and all that.
Sure, and possibly caused by travelling through the Vortex, especially if River has 2 hearts (Do we know one way or another?)
But you still have Ian and Barbara not aging, so some humans apparently do get longevity effects
^ Aren't there conflicting reports on whether Ian and Barbara have in fact aged?
Not that I'm aware of (or that I remember?), unless you're referring to the Reconstruction being framed with William Russel (possibly playing Ian?) Narrating the opening
And Jacqueline Pearce was in Meglos, but, not as Barbara (Though I like to joke about Barbara finally becoming a Religious Fanatic)
That would be Jacqueline Hill. Jacqueline Pearce was Servalan in Blake's 7.
Damn it, I kept telling myself to make sure I didn't do that Pearce was in The Two Doctors
I've never had any trouble accepting that she's from Gallifrey, that she's a native of the Doctor's home planet. And I've no doubt at all that she really is the Doctor's grand-daughter. But I do think those are very different to her actually being a Time Lord/Time Lady. I don't think Gallifreyans are born as Time Lords, it's something they study for.
So to my mind: yes, she's a Gallifreyan. No, she isn't a Time Lord.
She's an alien with an alien perspective, but she doesn't have the broader qualifications that her grand-father does, the qualifications which make a 'Time Lord'. She might not even be able to Regenerate, if we further theorize that such powers are granted only to graduates of the Time Lord academy. Hence she's a little more 'human' than the Doctor, in so much as she's certainly more mortal. She certainly seems to enjoy being on Earth and interacting with humans.
You would think that a Time Lady wouldn't scream so much from terror and xenophobia.
Although Romana had her moments.
Although Romana had her moments.
It supports the theory that Susan, while being from Gallifrey, isn't exactly a 'Time Lord'.
She's an 'Average Joe' of the Doctor's society. Probably she and the Doctor escaped from Gallifrey before she'd had a chance to enroll at the academy.
The original series bible from the 1960s postulated that they were both refugees from a great war on their own planet, and were avoiding persecution by their own people. This was never confirmed in the series proper however, although the broader idea that the Doctor had commited a crime (stolen a TARDIS) and was on the run from the rest of the Time Lords was eventually confirmed.
Susan was kind of a left-over from the series' growing pains. It takes a certain degree of retconning in order to incorporate her into the backstory that was later established in stone for how and why The Doctor left his home planet.
She's an 'Average Joe' of the Doctor's society. Probably she and the Doctor escaped from Gallifrey before she'd had a chance to enroll at the academy.
The original series bible from the 1960s postulated that they were both refugees from a great war on their own planet, and were avoiding persecution by their own people. This was never confirmed in the series proper however, although the broader idea that the Doctor had commited a crime (stolen a TARDIS) and was on the run from the rest of the Time Lords was eventually confirmed.
Susan was kind of a left-over from the series' growing pains. It takes a certain degree of retconning in order to incorporate her into the backstory that was later established in stone for how and why The Doctor left his home planet.
According to "The Sun Makers," Time Lords are the "oligarchic rulers of the planet Gallifrey." In other words, they're the ruling aristocracy of the Gallifreyan people, a relatively small percentage of the population that rules over the planet as a whole. And an aristocracy is generally hereditary.
So no, "Time Lord/Lady" is not a title you earn at the Academy; it's an aristocratic birthright, the top tier of a social class system of the sort the British are well acquainted with. They're literally lords and ladies in the peerage sense. Only members of the aristocracy would get into the Time Lord Academy at all, as a rule. We've seen in "The Invasion of Time" how extreme the class division was between the Time Lord elite living in the Capitol and the primitive Outsiders in the wastes beyond. Although there was a reference in "The Deadly Assassin" to plebeian classes living within the Capitol.
So no, "Time Lord/Lady" is not a title you earn at the Academy; it's an aristocratic birthright, the top tier of a social class system of the sort the British are well acquainted with. They're literally lords and ladies in the peerage sense. Only members of the aristocracy would get into the Time Lord Academy at all, as a rule. We've seen in "The Invasion of Time" how extreme the class division was between the Time Lord elite living in the Capitol and the primitive Outsiders in the wastes beyond. Although there was a reference in "The Deadly Assassin" to plebeian classes living within the Capitol.
What bout Runcible, that "TV" reporter/journalist who went to School with the Doctor, the Master and the Rani?
The wiki says that it's not sure if he was killed by Goth or the Master.
But if Goth did the killing, then the Master is ultimately responsible.
Lets just ask a simple question... Was there any one the Master went to School with he didn't try to kill?
So was he a Timelord who took a plebeian job, or was he a plebeian who was educated by/with the Timelords?
Rodan from Invasion of Time was a technician. If anyone wasn't going to be a Time Lady it would have been her.
The wiki says that it's not sure if he was killed by Goth or the Master.
But if Goth did the killing, then the Master is ultimately responsible.
Lets just ask a simple question... Was there any one the Master went to School with he didn't try to kill?
So was he a Timelord who took a plebeian job, or was he a plebeian who was educated by/with the Timelords?
Rodan from Invasion of Time was a technician. If anyone wasn't going to be a Time Lady it would have been her.
The Master hasn't tried to kill Drax, who attended the academy with the Doctor.
Hiding in a Human Prison... Although the Master did Porridge on Earth. Maybe he only allowed his jailing to have a chance at shivving Drax in the showers, but due to a tiny psychohistorical miscalculation, missed Brixton by a couple miles.
The Master is going to have one lonely school reunion, though he wasn't in School Reunion, so I'm not sure of this.
Quantumly ha was and wasn't for a while. Someone leaked a hint that Anthony Head was playing some sort of Master in season 2 and the throng went insane until it was proven someone was lying not incompletely.
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