Surprising Star Trek fan opinions

[Nardpuncher]

I always had a soft spot for The Motion Picture growing up and would listen to the soundtrack most every night to lull me to sleep and thought the movie looked wonderful...but I always knew that it was generally derided as boring and bloated.
Then I came here and found that not only did some people love it much, much much more than I did...but they knew incredibly trivial minutae about its production.

 

[plynch]

I'm not surprised: the movies have such different vibes from their respective shows. Trek is a t.v. format, originally and best.

 

[NCC-1701-B]

I am just as supprised, i have been here for about 3 weeks and the pure hatred people have of different series astounds me. I may be part of a very small Minority that likes all of the series, but i admit with Enterprise, it just takes a little getting used to.

I think TMP is quite boring, and it would look more colourful if it was filmed in B&W!!!

I think nemesis is an entertaining film, and I also don't get why people don't like the movies in general. doesn't make much sense to me. And why does it all have to be compared to the series? I am sure you would accept the films if they were two part episodes.

 

[Hambone]

I don't understand the general hatred for Spock's Brain. I find it one of the more entertaining episodes of TOS.

I am a big, big fan of The Motion Picture. I find it beautiful and somewhat poetic. I can see why it's appeal is lost on the younger fans, who generally want to see more things blown up. Both my kids are Trekkers and they hate this movie.

Star Trek V is the most "human" of all the films. Substandard special effects and some sloppy writing gives it a terrible rep..but overall, it's a nice outing for our crew.

I have yet to watch all of Nemesis. I fall asleep around the 45-minute mark every single time.

 

[Praetor]

I was surprised how many people seem to share my opinion that TNG should not have gone to films. TV movies, maybe, but not actual theatrical films. It didn't translate well.

 

[Jaespol]

Riker was bad because Jonathan Frakes couldn't act.

 

[Gary7]

TMP - (The Motionless Picture) - was a thrill to see when it first came out. Heck, Star Trek had nothing new since 1969 at that point. So even though the movie was SO DAMNED SLOW, it was a great experience. Watching it again just doesn't capture that feeling. Maybe you need to do a series of a few Best of TOS episodes and then jump right into TMP to kind of catch the continuation. But overall, I thought the movie should have had a faster pace. I also wished they hadn't done such a blatant ripoff of "The Changeling"... V'ger was Nomad on a grander scale.

Nemesis - Captain X summed it up rather nicely:

"This movie sucks like a massive hull breach. Mostly its because of the number of cliches, the poor attempt to rip off TWoK and give Picard a "worthy adversary" who wanted to kill all life on Earth for reasons that are never explained, is able to take over the Romulan government way too easily, etc. and its focus on VFX over plot - by far. It was an attempt to cash in on the Star Wars crowd by making it a mindless action flick with space battles - the same thing that's now being tried with Abrams Trek, which appears to have many of the same weaknesses.

It remains to be seen if Abrams has committed the same crimes... or if we'll be treated to some serious character development in the "alternative reality" he has conjured up. But I suspect it will be far and away better than Nemesis. That movie was a major breach of responsibility... I am still dumbfounded by how much was wrong with it. Berman was a fool.

TNG Movies - If the original series can translate, so can the next generation. It's just a matter of picking good screenwriters and choosing spaceship perspectives that give you a grander sense of depth (that was only one redeeming quality of Nemesis--the space scenes were impressive).

 

[Bisz]

Just a tiny minority hate Jadzia. She's considered to be one of the more popular characters on the show.

The Cardassians have a following because DS9 has a following.

As per the latest poll, over 10% of people "hate" her versus "love" her, so I wouldn't say its a tiny minority. Also, I wouldn't say that she is one of the more popular characters on the show, a lot of the people in the Love/Hate thread who still voted for "Love" state that they don't dislike her, but that she was the least important character on the show, or that Farrell was the weakest of the actors, etc.

 

[Michael]

As per the latest poll, over 10% of people "hate" her versus "love" her, so I wouldn't say its a tiny minority. Also, I wouldn't say that she is one of the more popular characters on the show, a lot of the people in the Love/Hate thread who still voted for "Love" state that they don't dislike her, but that she was the least important character on the show, or that Farrell was the weakest of the actors, etc.

The number of people disliking her still indicates a minority, though. There's no way around that. Granted, this poll only says something about the opinion of people on this board alone, but still, the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[JustKate]

^ And a fairly small minority at that. People had a choice of "love" or "hate" and a huge minority chose "love." (I did, because even though I don't love her, I do like her.) If the OP had wanted finer gradiations of feeling, the poll could have been set up that way. But it wasn't.

 

[Bisz]

I do suppose that 'small' is a relative word, but I would say that by no means is the minority tiny, nor is it insignificant. I would venture to guess that the results would have been different even if the only thing that changed in that poll was the words 'love' and 'hate'. No one likes 'hating', so given a choice I think even people who were on the fence, leaning toward not liking her, wouldn't necessarily vote for 'hate'. But I digress.

 

[JustKate]

Well, in a presidential election, this would count as "a landslide." There are politicians who would kill for these approval ratings.

You're absolutely right that all is measures is how many people are comfortable saying "I hate Jadzia." But since that was apparently what it was designed to measure, I don't quite understand why you should be critical that all it shows is that, that's right, most people don't want to say they hate Jadzia. I mean, let's be reasonable.

 

[Amaris]

Riker was bad because Jonathan Frakes couldn't act.

You see, I would disagree on that, and so would a lot of people. You are free to believe whatever you wish, but it's all opinion. If Jonathan Frakes couldn't act, he would have been out of a job. His Directing skills appear to be quite good as well, since he directed both First Contact and Insurrection.


J.

 

[Jaespol]

Riker was bad because Jonathan Frakes couldn't act.

You see, I would disagree on that, and so would a lot of people. You are free to believe whatever you wish, but it's all opinion. If Jonathan Frakes couldn't act, he would have been out of a job. His Directing skills appear to be quite good as well, since he directed both First Contact and Insurrection.


J.

Frakes would be out of a job if he couldn't act?
Plleaase, there are plenty of bad actors who held down jobs for a long time, Frakes being one of them.
Frakes was just a poor actor, he never let me forget that he was acting.
His acting in "Second Chances" made we want to tear out my eyeballs, I actually couldn't finish watching that episode and still haven't to this day.

 

[Myasishchev]

I was surprised how many people seem to share my opinion that TNG should not have gone to films. TV movies, maybe, but not actual theatrical films. It didn't translate well.

Now, in a better universe (or maybe in the Nexus) our TNG films would've actually been good.

I still have a soft spot for Generations...

In our universe, of course, you're right, it didn't translate well at all. I don't blame the notion of TNG movies, but the people who thought FC, INS, and NEM were well-conceived ideas for stories at all, let alone theatrical films.

 

[Praetor]

I was surprised how many people seem to share my opinion that TNG should not have gone to films. TV movies, maybe, but not actual theatrical films. It didn't translate well.

Now, in a better universe (or maybe in the Nexus) our TNG films would've actually been good.

I still have a soft spot for Generations...

In our universe, of course, you're right, it didn't translate well at all. I don't blame the notion of TNG movies, but the people who thought FC, INS, and NEM were well-conceived ideas for stories at all, let alone theatrical films.

Well said.

And I too have a rather irrational soft spot for 'Generations,' even though I have to endure the death of my beloved Enterprise-D. Like TFF, it captured the spirit of its series very well.

 

[Amaris]

Riker was bad because Jonathan Frakes couldn't act.

You see, I would disagree on that, and so would a lot of people. You are free to believe whatever you wish, but it's all opinion. If Jonathan Frakes couldn't act, he would have been out of a job. His Directing skills appear to be quite good as well, since he directed both First Contact and Insurrection.


J.

Frakes would be out of a job if he couldn't act?
Plleaase, there are plenty of bad actors who held down jobs for a long time, Frakes being one of them.
Frakes was just a poor actor, he never let me forget that he was acting.
His acting in "Second Chances" made we want to tear out my eyeballs, I actually couldn't finish watching that episode and still haven't to this day.

That's your opinion and that's fine. I simply disagree.

J.

 

[Jaespol]

Please give good examples of Frakes acting well.

 

[Michael]

That's your opinion and that's fine. I simply disagree.

As do I. Jonathan Frakes is a very capable actor. His Riker is easily my favorite character of The Next Generation.

Please give good examples of Frakes acting well.

Hm, how's like every episode he is in?

 

[Jaespol]

Damn, sometimes its just impossible to understand other people's points of view.
All Riker ever did was narrow his eyes and shout in a mock sort of voice.

You know who he reminded me of? Jerry Seinfeld.
Jerry Seinfeld's acting in Seinfeld was never super serious and he could barely shout without smiling, Frakes is the same. Even when he's supposed to be serious or angry, you just can't believe it.