1. The characters are different
2. Starfleet ships are different
3. Product placement is alive and well
2. Starfleet ships are different
3. Product placement is alive and well
Surely the alternate timeline begins before Nero arrives?
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1. Saavik in STIII and Zefram Cochrane in FC were far further removed from the originals than the STXI crew were.
2. Designs from 1965 would have looked stupid in 2009. That's why they totally changed the way everything looked for 1979's The Motion Picture, and kept a modern look for 2001's pre-TOS Star Trek: Enterprise.
3. Yellow Pages in STIV?
2. Designs from 1965 would have looked stupid in 2009. That's why they totally changed the way everything looked for 1979's The Motion Picture, and kept a modern look for 2001's pre-TOS Star Trek: Enterprise.
3. Yellow Pages in STIV?
Oh Jesus H. Christ, here we go again.
1. Which characters?
2. Different how?
3. What does product placement have to do with anything? What does that even mean?
Listen closely: The alternate timeline does NOT begin before Nero arrives. It's the prime timeline. It changes only AFTER he arrives. The writers of the damn movie state this, and it's where Prime Spock came from. If you don't want to believe THE CREATORS OF THE FILM, then that's your own issue.
Huh? This is something that would only apply to the cast after the Kelvin encounters the Narada. If you're talking about the lack of Robert April and things like that, they were never canon to begin with, so it's no surprise they weren't in the movie.
A necessary evil. The designs of the 60s wouldn't look good to modern audiences if they were rendered without any changes.
I felt that made the world seem more alive. What we've seen of civilian life on Earth in the TNG era makes it seem pretty lifeless as it's all focused on Starfleet or one small civilian place. Having the Nokia and Budweiser stuff makes the Trek-verse seem a bit bigger by actually showing that there are things going on outside Starfleet.
I also think that the timeline had been changed even before Nero changed it again. Kirk's eye colour is all the proof I need!
Seriously, I think it's more like a sequel to Enterprise, which was set in an alternate timeline due to the events in First Contact. By the time Nero appeared in the 23rd century, things had changed significantly enough to explain all the continuity issues that were not caused by him.
Seriously, I think it's more like a sequel to Enterprise, which was set in an alternate timeline due to the events in First Contact. By the time Nero appeared in the 23rd century, things had changed significantly enough to explain all the continuity issues that were not caused by him.
Which would be?
This might be worth skimming through:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief
The characters were born after 2233, Jim Kirk specifically on Stardate 2233.04 in the meducal shuttle. One of the first divergent events.
No Canon depiction of a Starship circa 2233 has ever been shown on screen, so the Kelvin's difference is not proven.
Other ships depicted were done so AFTER 2233 (the divergence), and thus are different as an implied result of the divergence point.
Irrelevent.
I think it's vague enough so that people who want to believe it's an altered timeline from the start or one that was altered upon Nero's arrival can both be satisfied.
Which, of course, means Fanboy War 11,457,986...
Which, of course, means Fanboy War 11,457,986...
And don't forget that Spock Prime has droopy earlobes, while nuSpock's are attatched! ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!!!
Er, no. Enterprise took place in the Prime timeline and wasn't an alternate universe (as much as I would like to think it was...).
According do Brannon Braga it was set in an alternate timeline. In the original timeline, Zefrem Cochrane didn't have help from the future and there was no Borg Sphere burried under artic ice ... and no "Regeneration".
In the original timeline - the one where Cochrane didn't know anything about the future - the NX-01 probably had a different name and a different design. At least that would explain why we had never ever heard of this Enterprise before.
As much as that actually makes sense, I'm pretty sure B&B wanted ENT to be in the regular timeline. I could be wrong, but I could check Memory Alpha about that.
The problem with ENT being in an alternate timeline is that the events in TATV on the Enterprise-D take place in the prime timeline. But again, since the events of TATV don't jibe with "The Pegasus" all that well, that could explain the differences. But I'm pretty sure that wasn't Braga's intention.
Of course it does. And don't call me Shirley.
Re: Surely the alternate timeline begins before Nero
I love how people pick out little plot holes as "proof" that Enterprise and STXI (to begin with) are an alternate timeline. Who says old Trek is all the same timeline? There's tonnes of proof otherwise...
"Where No Man..."
The uniforms are wrong, the Enterprise looks different inside and out, Kirk has a best friend who never gets another mention, Kirk's middle initial is "R", Spock wears command yellow etc. The novel Q-Squared puts WNMHGB in a different timeline, which leads to a somewhat different TNG starring Captain Jack Crusher.
"True Q"/"The Q and the Grey"
We meet a young Q in the former, we're told the Q have never reproduced in the latter.
TOS
-WWIII sometimes happend, sometimes didn't and sometimes was the Eugenics' war.
-The duplicate Earths are amazing, mundane and then amazing again.
-Spock's Pon Farr is a deeply kept secret, then he blabs about it to random alien women.
...need I go on?
I love how people pick out little plot holes as "proof" that Enterprise and STXI (to begin with) are an alternate timeline. Who says old Trek is all the same timeline? There's tonnes of proof otherwise...
"Where No Man..."
The uniforms are wrong, the Enterprise looks different inside and out, Kirk has a best friend who never gets another mention, Kirk's middle initial is "R", Spock wears command yellow etc. The novel Q-Squared puts WNMHGB in a different timeline, which leads to a somewhat different TNG starring Captain Jack Crusher.
"True Q"/"The Q and the Grey"
We meet a young Q in the former, we're told the Q have never reproduced in the latter.
TOS
-WWIII sometimes happend, sometimes didn't and sometimes was the Eugenics' war.
-The duplicate Earths are amazing, mundane and then amazing again.
-Spock's Pon Farr is a deeply kept secret, then he blabs about it to random alien women.
...need I go on?
THIS! 
You know, the "alternate timeline" concept in Trek allows for fans to pretty much canonize(en-canon?) what they want and de-canon(un-canon?) what they don't like.
There's been Trek books that I thought were so good they deserved to have taken place within the Trekverse. On the other hand, there've been episodes of the TV shows which I wish had been stricken from canon.
As someone PISSED with what Star Trek XI did to the Vulcans, I prefer to imagine Tuvok, Vorik, Dr. Selar, etc. prospering utterly unaffected in myriad other timelines, safe from the events of the AbramsTrek film.
There's been Trek books that I thought were so good they deserved to have taken place within the Trekverse. On the other hand, there've been episodes of the TV shows which I wish had been stricken from canon.
As someone PISSED with what Star Trek XI did to the Vulcans, I prefer to imagine Tuvok, Vorik, Dr. Selar, etc. prospering utterly unaffected in myriad other timelines, safe from the events of the AbramsTrek film.
I still remember a promo spot for Enterprise saying... This Is How the Star Trek Saga Begins!
Anyway, all the little differences in ST09, (besides proving this is an AU) are intended as cold slaps of ice water to the faces of anyone whom holds the old canon too near and dear to their hearts.
They were in effect parroting William Shatner: "Get a Life, will you people?"
Anyway, all the little differences in ST09, (besides proving this is an AU) are intended as cold slaps of ice water to the faces of anyone whom holds the old canon too near and dear to their hearts.
They were in effect parroting William Shatner: "Get a Life, will you people?"
oh no. not AGAIN!
Works for me. Also, Spock's ship was constructed in 2387 and that is given as a stardate. In TNGese it should follow the format 65xxx.xx. This suggests that he's already from an alternate timeline. Alternatively, of course, it could just be a goof.
(Edit: The writers used Kirk's "canonical" death to explain their decision to not involve Shatner, but what do they know?
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