Surely Detracting From the Borgs Perfection was a Good Thing?

[Anwar]

But neither Shelby nor Picard are experts in the Borg (well, not YET for Picard). All they know was what Guinan and Q told them, and Guinan never explicitly said they weren't out for assimilation (she even said the Borg saw them as "Raw Materials" or something).

In this case it's less a retcon, and more that the writers took advantage of how nebulously defined the Borg were to add to them.

I DO think it was a bad idea to make it so easy for the Borg to assimilate folks, it should be a longer harder process that most don't survive in the first place.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Um.

Dude!!

Shelby was the greatest Borg expert in the Federation. That admiral said that they were all being bitches till she whipped them into shape and put some focus into their killing and devisings of weapons of mass destruction. Then there's Picard, the only Starship commander with First hand experience (in the last century) against the Borg.

They were scanning the shit out of the Borg in their first encounter for hours which probably told them a but load more than their eyes did or that listener woman.

 

[Anwar]

Shelby being the biggest Borg expert was simply a big sign that they didn't know much, then.

 

[exodus]

Story answers...

According to Guinin in Q Who, the Borg just wanted technology. Flesh was stupid. They didn't assimilate anyone during Q-Who and unless Guinnin was fucking with them, no El-Aurians where assimilated either when their world was stripped by the Borg.

"Generations"
Soran was trying to enter the "Ribbon" to be with his family again that were taken by the Borg. if Borg didn't take people, then where did the billions upon billions of them come from? Guinian was wrong due to the fact we found an assimilated baby and the Borg don't procreate. Drones have to come from somewhere.

What the writers did here was no different than when they changed the Trill "facts". Trill aren't supposed to be able to use a transporter due to the joined nature of some of their species, yet Jadzia & Ezri used it all the time. The writers understood you couldn't have all those Drones if you aren't assimilating people.

Dude. I said "unless Guinin was fucking with them".

She was fucking with them.

She was either wrong or lying.

"Fucking with them."

The writers hadn't invented assimilation yet, but the characters should have known.

Yes, you say so many things.

 

[exodus]

Shelby being the biggest Borg expert was simply a big sign that they didn't know much, then.

Riiight!!
Did she ever encounter them before BOBW?
How is she an expert on a race she's never actually seen?

I'm an expert on Unicorns.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think you just admitted that you are still a virgin?

 

[exodus]

I think you just admitted that you are still a virgin?

I think your perception is way, way off.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, No, it's one of those things from fairy tales, they use "virgins" as bait for unicorn traps because only virgins are pure of heart enough not to scare the unicorns off...

Okay, maybe I'm the expert on unicorns.

Another thing Janeway, the Federation, the elder races who can survive the borg can do for the younger races is to hobble them technologically, or force them to advance with uniform generic technology the Borg already have or cripple them with some annoying illness... By making as many races as possible "unpalatable" or "undesirable" to the Borg, or from the Borg's point of view "unworthy" of assimilation it at least lets them live even under only someone elses guidelines.

To save the Galaxy form the Borg, the Federation would have to invert the Prime Directive by making everyone as "detractive" as the Kazon.

Would the Borg Assimilate the Vidiians if they couldn't cure the Phage? Inoculation perhaps? Two points, what sort of choice is that the phage or assimilation? Or second, if the Borg can fix the phage, assimilation followed by repatriation, which you can even do quickly in a controlled environment with "parts" of borg or just supplies of nano probes and not have to worry about things getting out of control, but it's a cure.

 

[exodus]

According to Guinin in Q Who, the Borg just wanted technology. Flesh was stupid. They didn't assimilate anyone during Q-Who and unless Guinnin was fucking with them, no El-Aurians where assimilated either when their world was stripped by the Borg.

I don’t think Guinan ever said anything in BOBW that ruled out assimilation.

Q made some comments along the line of “he’s not interested in you, only your ship,” but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are as a rule interested only in technology and not in biology. It just means that in this particular situation the Borg had identified Enterprise as something of interest and had not (yet) taken any special notice of her carbon-based units.

I just remembered(duh!), they didn't need too.
They already encountered humans when they assimilated the Hansens. They'd be interested in our technology in "BOBW" to see how far we've advanced since then.

No, No, it's one of those things from fairy tales, they use "virgins" as bait for unicorn traps because only virgins are pure of heart enough not to scare the unicorns off...

...but if I'm like Shelby, an expert on something I've never seen, then I couldn't be a virgin or else I'd be seeing them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They must have thought Q snapping his fingers was some sort of stardrive on the Enterprise, otherwise it really can't have been worth the trip

Now, Exodus please explain how Archer's little adventure with the Borg made the dialogue in Q-Who is even more absent minded...

 

[exodus]

They must have thought Q snapping his fingers was some sort of stardrive on the Enterprise, otherwise it really can't have been worth the trip

Now, Exodus please explain how Archer's little adventure with the Borg made the dialogue in Q-Who is even more absent minded...

I have no idea, ENT doesn't exist in my universe pretty much due to poor writing as you've demonstrated.

I can pretty much do "thinking out side the box" conclusions using canon established in TOS, TNG, DS9 & Voy because most of it has some consistency. ENT throws all that out the window and makes much of everything nonsense, so I throw it out the window.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Bokk, bokk, bokk, BOKK!

 

[exodus]

Bokk, bokk, bokk, BOKK!

Swedish Chef????

 

[Guy Gardener]

No.

Chicken.

You're probably too terrified to watch Enterprise because it's certainly even worse than you think it is.

 

[exodus]

No.

Chicken.

You're probably too terrified to watch Enterprise because it's certainly even worse than you think it is.

I fear nothing.

Just like all good sane people, I don't keep trash in my home.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was truly amazed that I wasn't watching and re-watching my tapes of enterprise like I did with Voyager and ds9 as some sort of background hum (like other people use music, not such a fan of music am I.), was I growing up or was the show just shit?

Archer meeting the Borg was sensible enough. Archaeologists found wreckage and drones in the artic circle form the battle with Picard. Archer claims to have memorized everything to do with Zephram Cochrane and it seems that briefly (while drunk) he was telling people about how he was once killing cyborg star zombies for fun and profit, but recanted the following day.

That's good.

Here's the shit.

The assimilation process seems to take hours ( a shortage of nanoprobes?) that no one is fully converted and Phlox has time to create a magic drug that repels the nanoprobes and saves the day.

My jaw was on the ground.

 

[Captrek]

I was truly amazed that I wasn't watching and re-watching my tapes of enterprise like I did with Voyager and ds9 as some sort of background hum (like other people use music, not such a fan of music am I.), was I growing up or was the show just shit?

The first two seasons are rather poor. I really like the Xindi arc (all of Season 3 minus Northstar and Doctor’s Orders, plus the first three eps of Season 4), and the continuity porn of Season 4 is an enjoyable “dessert.”

 

[exodus]

I was truly amazed that I wasn't watching and re-watching my tapes of enterprise like I did with Voyager and ds9 as some sort of background hum (like other people use music, not such a fan of music am I.), was I growing up or was the show just shit?

Archer meeting the Borg was sensible enough. Archaeologists found wreckage and drones in the artic circle form the battle with Picard. Archer claims to have memorized everything to do with Zephram Cochrane and it seems that briefly (while drunk) he was telling people about how he was once killing cyborg star zombies for fun and profit, but recanted the following day.

That's good.

Here's the shit.

The assimilation process seems to take hours ( a shortage of nanoprobes?) that no one is fully converted and Phlox has time to create a magic drug that repels the nanoprobes and saves the day.

My jaw was on the ground.

......and that is why ENT is the only series I don't & won't own. Nothing about the show to me is worth rewatching or owning.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Linda Park.

She's just so lovely.

 

[exodus]

Linda Park.

She's just so lovely.

Yes, she most certainly is.

Another flaw in the show by putting her in the corner where the camera couldn't pan too.