Suppose Earth was destroyed
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Well there's a bunch of Vulcans on Romulus...
Do you mean because Romulans are descendants of Vulcans?
That's because the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites didn't have Sesame Street.Seemingly, humans invented the concept of co-operation
Obviously.
Nero technically destroyed his own species home planet.
They are the same race with different philosophies, that is all....
They look different though. So it must be a little more than that.
Differences are negligible. The difference is mental, not physical. Agree to disagree.
Not negligible. People don't change like that in a few generations.
All of the series have acknowledged their being a genetic divergence between the two species, and again between the Romulans and Remans, they've become three unique species.
Destroying Remus would not be seen as the destruction of the Romulan race anymore than blowing up Vulcan.
Destroying Remus would not be seen as the destruction of the Romulan race anymore than blowing up Vulcan.
In fact the Remans look a lot different from both the Vulcans and the Romulans, than the Romulans do from the Vulcans.
I read somewhere once that the best way to get English and Australians to recognize their common ground is to talk to an American. Maybe that's Earth.In Trek's world, the fall of Earth means the fall of the Federation. Whether it makes sense or not. Humans somehow got Vulcans, Androians, Tellarites and others to put aside their differences and team up, despite them all being out in space for decades or centuries longer than us. Seemingly, humans invented the concept of co-operation
And go see Beyond.
But the Romulans have developed an entire cranial-neurological difference that makes them separate in a good enough orbital scan system, TNG and ENT have made that clear enough. They may have the fucking dumbest hair cut in all reality and the most insufferable personality known to all sapient kind in common, but they're not remotely the same species any more.
They do not. I just watched Balance of Terror, The Enterprise Incident, and Star Trek V and VI.
Yes, and apparently they don't have this need of logic. To the point of being lost without it. A Vulcan without logic is said to become a murderous beast. A Romulan manages well without it.
Same thing as with the Klingon ridges, they were there, we just weren't made to seen them.
Rampent paranoia replaced it, plus whatever environmental effects the new planet had on them, or the ridges are the result of surgical/genetic manipulation. They keep so many secrets, it's hard to know.
Or maybe those are wigs, covering the tattoos, which are renewed every so often, and release chemicals to keep them calm, and Nero lost his wig and is suffering withdrawel throughout ST'09.
Well, nero was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs! For all we know he ritualistically disfigured himself as some psychopaths sometimes do.
I want to start by saying that I understand your sentiment.
But I'm going to follow up by pointing out that continuity of government when your government is worth a crap (and one likes to think the Federation has worked that out better than we have, by the 23rd century) may actually ultimately save more other lives when there's an ongoing state of emergency and danger. The indecision that comes from no one clearly being in charge in a situation like that can kill.
So saving them first may fall under that old "needs of the many" header.
Diane Duane described the Rihannsu as developing their own culture, re-evolving their language from older roots, etc, on their long journey from Vulcan to ch'Havran and ch'Rihan. I've sometimes thought that perhaps that effort to differentiate themselves from their Vulcan cousins never entirely ended, and resulted in some genetic manipulation at some point between Star Trek VI and TNG.
I can buy that. They were definitely up to something during all those quiet years before TNG. That makes a lot of sense, actually!
I know its not on screen canon, but as Saavik was written to be half romulan, and no one around her, even Spock, ever had a clue, further backs the belief that they were originally from the same genetic stock (romulans and vulcans.) Changing by design rather then by random chance in such a short evolutionary time period makes a lot more sense.
Oscar the Grouch has no place in a culture that shuns emotions and embraces pure logic.
Looking at it from a logical standpoint, what would be of greater importance:
Educated, mature, individuals (many of whom would still be in the child rearing years) who have dedicated their lives to the Federation, ensuring its stability, growth and further development, who have spent years cultivating relationships of trust with those from their homeworlds (enough to get them elected anyway) as well among other races (both within and outwith the UFP); or, orphans who will drain resources for years as they develop before they become of use to society, if they can get over the loss of their families and all they ever knew at a young age.
Any kind of evacuation would include trying to save civilians as well, but government officials will always be of top priority in such emergency plans (also you'd have to assume that by the time of Trek politicians would actually be sentient individuals worthy of being saved). I'm trying to look at it from a practical/pragmatic standpoint, where hard decisions would have to be made for the greater good. It may sound kind of heartless, but sometimes that's just what life is.
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