I think it's very plausible given that normal evolution doesn't work that fast.
Suppose Earth was destroyed
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I think it's very plausible given that normal evolution doesn't work that fast.
From the deleted scene :
Kirk: "Your protege's first-rate."
Spock: "She's half-Romulan, Jim. The odd mixture tends to make her blood more volatile than... me, for example."
Kirk: "Than you?" (looking at Spock) "Yes, I see that."
So Spock knew.
If Romulans and Vulcans look different then why doesn't Spock stick out like a sore thumb in Unification?
Saavik's backstory never made it to the screen but was fleshed out in novels, most notably The Pandora Principle. Spock found her as a child on an abandoned Romulan colony world and became something of a father figure and mentor to her.
Which makes the events of STIII all the more messed up
Which makes the events of STIII all the more messed up
Maybe they just considered him ugly?
I know its just personal interpretation, but since I see Romulans and Vulcans as too genetically similar to really have "half this" and "half that" I personally interpret the "volatile blood" to refer to her instincts and temperament, since she presumably wasn't trained at a young enough age the proper ways and pathways to control and Vulcan enlightenment or whatever.
I know we're getting into selective head canon at this point, but it is what it is.
I know we're getting into selective head canon at this point, but it is what it is.
Didn't the original series Romulans look exactly like Vulcans? It was only in TNG they started being seen as "forehead aliens".
Maybe Romulans were a subspecies that evolved on Vulcan (such as homo sapien and Neanderthal), so the great split between the peoples of the planet was as much a racial matter as it was one of doctrine. As for the forehead ridges, maybe they are merely cosmetic, with many Romulans seeking to distance themselves further from their "cousins" by altering their appearance. Then again maybe it was something that happened during their second period of isolation (2311-2364), some genetic virus that changed a large section of the Romulan population.
Remans on the other hand I see as simply a species native to Remus that became the first one conquered by the new Romulan Star Empire.
Remans on the other hand I see as simply a species native to Remus that became the first one conquered by the new Romulan Star Empire.
This.In Trek's world, the fall of Earth means the fall of the Federation. Whether it makes sense or not. Humans somehow got Vulcans, Androians, Tellarites and others to put aside their differences and team up, despite them all being out in space for decades or centuries longer than us. Seemingly, humans invented the concept of co-operation
Now realistically, yeah, the Federation should be able to continue on even if Earth was destroyed. But the whole premise is "humans are special and the driving force behind the UFP." But by that rationale, the destruction of Vulcan in the alternate timeline should have been nearly as devastating. Granted we had the whole plotline of STID that shows how militant Section 31 became post-Vulcan, but I always found it a little too convenient that after Vulcan was destroyed, the attitude was "We have 10,000 Vulcans left. Let's go find some off screen planet and call it New Vulcan. Problem solved." A plot development as huge as Vulcan being destroyed should have been at the very least a B story line throughout the rest of the Star Trek reboot film series on how to rebuild elsewhere, somehow (IE the B plot line of STID could/should have been more along the lines the Enterprise was taking part in exploration/ a search mission for a new planet, Yorktown Station might have actually been the "temporary new Vulcan" instead of just Yorktown station?). Not just a throwaway line here or there int the following movies.
Now, similarly, if Earth were destroyed, no, it would not be speciesist to concentrate on looking for a planet to resettle the remaining off world humans on. Like the Vulcans in Star Trek 2009, humans would officially become an endangered species, and I would think that the reset of the federation would mobilize and help search for a new planet to help preserve Earthlings. However, the main difference would be that the Federation and Starfleet seems to be headquartered on Earth, so that really is a dynamic that even Vulcan doesn't have, even with it being a founding member. I think the best analogy would be what would happen to the UN, if the United States was somehow destroyed completely. The UN is of course headquartered in NY. Would the other nations continue on? Or would it be more likely the remaining countries, without a US to be the glue to hold them together, basically fall apart, and everyone would go their separate ways? Hell, the EU can't even keep the UK in it! So, maybe the UFP falling apart after the destruction of Earth isn't such a far fetched notion.
Nah Kazon have them beat by several galactic diameters.
Why would humans be an endangered species? It seemed to be the Vulcans' insular & secretive ways that doomed them to be endangered; they stayed around their home system mostly after the Federation Starfleet started exploring. We never hear about Vulcan colonies after ENT. Seeing a handful of Vulcans beside Spock was odd until the 24th century..
In Star Trek it seems like humans are the only founding Federation species that settled on other worlds and set up colonies in any number. There has to be billions of humans settled on Mars, in the asteroid belt, the plutoids, stations orbiting the gas giants, etc. We settled on every body we could in Sol. There has to be billions of humans settled in the Alpha Centauri system in Star Trek's time too. There is no way a planetary system that close it Earth is not as busy as the Sol system after being colonized since the mid/late 21st century. I think the destruction of Earth would still leave billions of humans spread throughout colonies/starfleet.
As for the destruction of the Federation government itself, I don't think that would be possible. With Star Trek's communications technology, It wouldn't surprise me if most of the Federation government met over subspace with holograms in their stead. Think about how few council members we saw in TVH? The remains of the government on their home planets would immediately follow the plan for such a happening and they'd be back up an running in a day.
In Star Trek it seems like humans are the only founding Federation species that settled on other worlds and set up colonies in any number. There has to be billions of humans settled on Mars, in the asteroid belt, the plutoids, stations orbiting the gas giants, etc. We settled on every body we could in Sol. There has to be billions of humans settled in the Alpha Centauri system in Star Trek's time too. There is no way a planetary system that close it Earth is not as busy as the Sol system after being colonized since the mid/late 21st century. I think the destruction of Earth would still leave billions of humans spread throughout colonies/starfleet.
As for the destruction of the Federation government itself, I don't think that would be possible. With Star Trek's communications technology, It wouldn't surprise me if most of the Federation government met over subspace with holograms in their stead. Think about how few council members we saw in TVH? The remains of the government on their home planets would immediately follow the plan for such a happening and they'd be back up an running in a day.
I always thought the same thing.
Something nuTrek Pike and company seemed to have largely ignored when they met in the Daystrom conference room.
I just wonder how much Humans value their own culture in comparison to those of other races. Would they wish to begin again in the same way the Vulcans did, with the same appreciation for all the history and culture that was lost? Or have they been so diluted by others that there'd be no large incentive to do so.
I always thought the Pon Farr did this to the Vulcans, kept them relatively Vulcan-bound. That, plus an unwillingness or inability to find a medicating alternative.
Well, aside from the idea that they did it intentionally as part of their ongoing efforts to differentiate themselves from Vulcans, my other theory is that as part of their trades, Romulan scientists worked on helping the Klingons cure the Augment virus, and accidentally released something that contaminated them with Klingon DNA (and possibly human - but not necessary for the brow ridges, so that part is totally optional).
Could be, but also, perhaps not all Romulans chose to modify themselves / were infected by the Augment "cure" - just, conveniently, all of the ones we happened to get a good look at on-screen aside from Spock.
That is my interpretation as well - when I'm forced to acknowledge them as canon at all. Nemesis *sucked*.
The Federation's central leadership is on Earth and it's treated as a cultural center but they'd recover.
Just some Trek writers seem to think the Federation is a Human Club however it may contradict the tone of the premise.
Just some Trek writers seem to think the Federation is a Human Club however it may contradict the tone of the premise.
This is one thing that I thought was really refreshing about the Dominion War. I don't remember which episode said it per se, but Earth wasn't the key to the Alpha Quadrant and thus winning the war, so it was never a big target for the Dominion. The Breen only struck it as a fear tactic. But the idea of grand interstellar war that wasn't centered or dependent on Earth is still pretty unique in sci-fi in general.
Like, even if Earth fell, it would definitely hurt, but the vast majority of the fleet was in space, and we've seen capable commanders all across the brass throughout the Federation. Plus, there were also two other major space nations to depend on; indeed, for a sizeable amount of time, the Klingons alone fought the Dominion while Starfleet and the Romulans needed to regroup. There were enough contingencies and resources spread out that losing Earth wouldn't be that costly. It wasn't even the main target.
It's not necessarily that the largest population of Humans would be wiped out, it's that the capital of the Federation (Paris) and their military (San Fran) would be wiped out. I'm sure there would be back ups, but it would take time to get all the new representatives to a new base of operations and for Starfleet to reorganize itself. That's the chaos. You'd have civilian unrest over who's in charge and Starfleet also going "who's in charge of us AND the gov't." while trying to figure out/fight whoever destroyed Earth. Unless, say the VP is located on Vulcan vs being on Earth for this very reason. Then it be easier to figure out the command structure and get Starfleet in action faster. Remember Sisko did say the Battle of Sector 001 had drained resources and they didn't need any more problems while that was being addressed. And I'm sure in addition to blowing up Earth, all the ship building areas in Sol would also be destroyed as well.
That 10,000 figure for surviving Vulcans really is ludicrously low. Even if we accept the conceit that they don't have a single colony world, they're a starfaring society and part of a larger interstellar power. For context, the number of Americans who travel abroad every year is in the 10s of millions.
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