Oh, this show is already miles ahead of both of them. Especially Smallville.
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Oh, this show is already miles ahead of both of them. Especially Smallville.
Especially Smallville indeed. At least Buffy, though I thought it became nonsensical tripe in its later seasons, had its moments. Smallville is.....well, Clark is a lot more pure than Sam and Dean, no? 
Especially Smallville indeed. At least Buffy, though I thought it became nonsensical tripe in its later seasons, had its moments. Smallville is.....well, Clark is a lot more pure than Sam and Dean, no?
I've never understood the love for either of those shows, myself. Sam and Dean are sure better charactes than most shows in this vein have and it is risky at times which I like. I don't always think the writing is up to the task to make it work all the time but I respect the writers' balls.
There's always going to be times when the writing is better than other times. Much as I love the show, there've been some Supernatural clunkers along the way, but....as you said, the writers have some major balls with these characters. I appreciate that. There's definitely more good than bad. Smallville can't say the same, and Buffy irritated me more often than not.
Plus, SPN has the most delightfully psychotic sense of humor.
Clark would be offended by 6 foot teddy bears who tried to blow their brains out and got stuffing all over the walls. He wouldn't get the humor.
Plus, SPN has the most delightfully psychotic sense of humor.
Clark would be offended by 6 foot teddy bears who tried to blow their brains out and got stuffing all over the walls. He wouldn't get the humor.
The Teddy bear was one of the funniest things I've ever seen on TV.
That was hilarious. 
And yet still sad, too. 
And yet still sad, too. 
And the casting call for episode 3
Raphael
The first and third characters possibly recurring. The first--Rapheal.....gee, what kind of cosmic entity do I know with a name like Raphael?
How interesting.Sam spilling his guts about his "heinous crimes" should be unsettling to some of the fandom. Do we get our confirmation that he murdered the possessed nurse? Go there, Supernatural. Go there. Technically, it was no different that killing a possessed person with the knife. Technically, it isn't. But the demon went to sleep--and Sam drained her blood while she screamed. He thought he was stopping armageddon, but he was wrong. Dead wrong.
Go there, show. This is what makes you stand out from Smallville and Buffy.
Really the only difference is that he killed her simply to drain her (which is quite similar to what he did in the episode where he drink from the demon (then killed her) instead of trying to send the demon to hell.
Question: Would Dean have done that killed a host who is possessed if the host was in control? Now obviously Dean wouldn't be sucking them dry, but.
I think Dean probably would. Hell look how close he was to killing the kid in Croatoan, he very nearly did it (and that was with just the possibility of the kid being invected, he wasn't but he was possessed. And that was when things were far, far less dangerous out there.
I think Dean and Sam's issue on this isn't that he killed a demon and its host, but that he did it to feed his ability. The destruction of that demon was never the motivation for his actions.
What I do love is how the show has the two main characters doing things with good intentions (if often for selfish motivations) which end up causing huge, huge problems. Dean sells his soul to save Sam (for the selfish reason that Dean can't live without him or the idea of failing him) this starting the events of armageddon. Then we have Sam going to great lengths to kill Lilith (for the selfish reasons of what she did to Dean and his own feelings of failing to save his brother) and thus finally bringing forth Azazels ultimate plan and freeing lucifer.
None of which would have come to pass in the writing room if the casting department hadn't done such a magnificent job to begin with. Really, Ackles, Padalecki, Collins, Beaver, Pellegrino.....and Ferris (yea! Ellen!) are miles ahead of the other casts on CW now.
I still think of how Padalecki tried so hard to "act" during season one and how far he's come. My God, the difference with him is night and day. Being the straight man is such a thankless task, but he's magnificent as Sam now, especially considering what a sunny personality he really has.
I wonder who's going to play the archangel.
I still think of how Padalecki tried so hard to "act" during season one and how far he's come. My God, the difference with him is night and day. Being the straight man is such a thankless task, but he's magnificent as Sam now, especially considering what a sunny personality he really has.
I wonder who's going to play the archangel.
I am exceptionally happy to have Ellen back (even if just for one episode). While I was very disappointed in how they did the "Roadhouse" (I liked the concept of a place the hunters could get some info, but I hated that it became solely populated by hunters which was in my opinion a huge mistake, I always loved Samantha Ferris' Ellen. Of course being the show it is, she's probably toast.
And yeah, both actors have improved on the show, but Jesus Jared (who still isn't as good as Jensen day to day) has improved so much.
Dorian which single episode do you think has the best overall acting between the leads? I honestly think for me it might be Born Under a Bad Sign. Because Jared was at his best playing Meg, and playing Meg playing Sam. And Jensen, damn that was one of his best episodes as well. That one episode both leads absolutely nailed their performances. And the secondary cast did very well (with Alona's best performance, and another typically strong performance from Beaver). Its not my favorite episode (one of my top ten certainly), but if I had to show one episode to show how strong both actors are that probably would be it.
And yeah, both actors have improved on the show, but Jesus Jared (who still isn't as good as Jensen day to day) has improved so much.
Dorian which single episode do you think has the best overall acting between the leads? I honestly think for me it might be Born Under a Bad Sign. Because Jared was at his best playing Meg, and playing Meg playing Sam. And Jensen, damn that was one of his best episodes as well. That one episode both leads absolutely nailed their performances. And the secondary cast did very well (with Alona's best performance, and another typically strong performance from Beaver). Its not my favorite episode (one of my top ten certainly), but if I had to show one episode to show how strong both actors are that probably would be it.
The single episode that best showcased the acting of the two leads? Oh, that's easy. Hands down it's "On the Head of a Pin." Sam was absolutely frightening and it shocked me that he would order Castiel around and castigate him. "Miracle. Now. You put him there because you and your partner can't put together a devil's trap," not to mention him being so easily lead down the primrose path by Ruby and her bleeding arm.
Jensen's Dean was at his lowest as he was made to torture again. The looks on his face as he stuck the knife into Alistair were chilling, and you could see the breakdown of his mental processes as he got deeper and deeper and his sanity began to give way. Stunning episode--written by none other than Ben Edlund, the supposed comedy writer.
Jensen's Dean was at his lowest as he was made to torture again. The looks on his face as he stuck the knife into Alistair were chilling, and you could see the breakdown of his mental processes as he got deeper and deeper and his sanity began to give way. Stunning episode--written by none other than Ben Edlund, the supposed comedy writer.
I love that episode, but to me thats episode is really heavily Dean's (out of the two brothers at least). And it was a great showcase for Jensen (Hell him getting a haircut is probably a great showcase). And while I thought Jared did a good job, I didn't really see anything new from him at that point. While Born Under a Bad Sign really just shocked the hell out of me at how good he was. In fact I think both actors got to deeper layers with the characters they were playing in that episode.
Damn I miss Uriel (I still can't remember the actors name without looking it up).
Acting wise the both of them are very good. However, sometimes Jensen tries to sound too tough and it comes across weird.
Jensen was suffering from laryngitis while filming the last two eps. Remember that line to Castiel about "where have you been? I've only been screaming myself hoarse for two hours?" A last minute script change because Jensen was struggling pretty badly with his voice. That might have accounted for a sense of him overcompensating.
As far as Jared being less talented than Jensen? I'm not so sure I'm willing to go there. I saw a raw bitterness in Sam in "Jump the Shark" towards his brother, Adam, that reached new heights. For all his seeming helpfulness, Sam was extraordinarily bitter towards Adam, more so than Dean's open hostility. He didn't get to have the life he wanted, so why should Adam be protected from hunting? He was going to indoctrinate Adam out of "kindness" come hell or high water. Also, JAred can be quite the comedian as "Bad Day at Black Rock" proved.
As far as Jared being less talented than Jensen? I'm not so sure I'm willing to go there. I saw a raw bitterness in Sam in "Jump the Shark" towards his brother, Adam, that reached new heights. For all his seeming helpfulness, Sam was extraordinarily bitter towards Adam, more so than Dean's open hostility. He didn't get to have the life he wanted, so why should Adam be protected from hunting? He was going to indoctrinate Adam out of "kindness" come hell or high water. Also, JAred can be quite the comedian as "Bad Day at Black Rock" proved.
You watch some seriously tame porn.
I can't say I agree about Buffy... Smallville sure, but not Buffy. I mean I know what you're saying, but they're different shows, with different tones, about different things. They both just happen to feature killing demons and monsters.