Supernatural 7x15 "Repo Man" spoiler discussion thread

[Dorian Thompson]

New episode tonight, good people. Looks like a good one. Per usual, I'm finishing up work and will have to watch later. Have fun and enjoy.

 

[Captain Mike]

Definitely a better episode than last week/ And now that Sam can't get rid of Lucifer now,...I believe that it will play an important part in the rest of the seasons episodes.
I kind of like how "Lucy" was playing the goodie-goodie up till the end of the episode. I still feel like I have, from the beginning, that it will play an important part in the resolution of the season ender that He is a major player.

 

[Joe Washington]

Good episode. Love the interplay between Sam and Lucifer and the twist about Jeffrey. And Sam's struggle to hold onto his sanity coming to a head is a nice cherry on top.

 

[mswood]

Now that, that's an episode of Supernatural.

What a strong episode.

Casting was very strong across the board (in that regard felt like season 2 or 4). In fact this episode felt like a season two or four episode.

One minor quibble with the episode. And that it was obvious that Jeffrey was the killer. No drama, in that. But why he was possessed and the role of the demon, was excellent.

I just loved almost every single part of this episode.

I love that they aren't dropping Sam's issues, nor or they dropping Dean's. But I am curious how they are going to resolve Sam issue ina way that works for me, lets him at least function, but doesn't erase it forever. I don't want that.

Sam was in Hell for what about 130 years or more. He should never be healed fully. Just as Dean has never truly healed from when he started torturing souls in Hell.

I want that to stick with them to their dying day.

Ohm, its at least an A minus. I am going ot watch it again I might like it even more.


Who directed that episode, because it was one of the best shot episodes in a long time. And I loved Ben's more serious work, though I know fans who really enjoy his lighter/ whacked out work (this still had that, but at its heart a very dark story).

 

[auntiehill]

I liked the twist about Jeffrey; it wasn't exactly a surprise, but the manner in which they did it was well handled. I like that he WANTED the demon back; that was an interesting take on things. I also like Lucifer screwing with Sam's head, but also helping him, like a partner. The actor who plays Lucifer is good in everything I've seen him in.

 

[Icemizer]

Do we all think that perhaps Lucifer knows how to despose of the big bads for this season? Will it entail a choice of releasing him from his cage or letting the bad guys eat their way through humanity? I was hoping for Crowley to make a saving appearance since he seems to have his eyes on the boys but ah well. A very good episode none the less.

 

[Santeria]

Do we all think that perhaps Lucifer knows how to despose of the big bads for this season? Will it entail a choice of releasing him from his cage or letting the bad guys eat their way through humanity? I was hoping for Crowley to make a saving appearance since he seems to have his eyes on the boys but ah well. A very good episode none the less.

If anyone outside of God and Death (who, by his very name, should know how if/how anyone can be killed) knows, it's likely him.

But, yeah, I think this is the writer's ticket for explaining how to kill them if for no other reason than they've already blown through every reasonable means of giving the Winchester's a way of finding out how to do it. I'm just confused about why the information Bobby found out just prior to being shot hasn't come up again (well, besides finding an empty field), or what happened to the Levitation that was forced to eat himself.

 

[hyzmarca]

They bought the empty field to build something. That thing hasn't been built yet. The only way to find out what it is, other than wait and watch, is to infiltrate big-mouth central. That's not likely to end well. And while we have statements that the levithans are a world-ending threat, we haven't actually seen any evidence of that yet. They're durable, but they haven't demonstrated any awesome cosmic power and there aren't that many of them.

All things being equal, releasing Lucifer is just jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. You go from a few eldritch abominations that like to eat people and might end the world to a cosmic being that hates humanity and will destroy the world. It's not a good trade off.

 

[mswood]

Do people actually think Sam's subconscious mind is actually linking to Lucifer in the Pitt?

The dialogue has been very clear that its just a figment of Sam's shattered subconscious.

I don't think there is any evidence that the real "Lucifer" is an communication with Sam.

This is how I see it.

It's real to Sam, only. Because his shattered mind is forming this "Lucifer" based on his hundred plus years of being around the fallen Angel.

Just like the delusions of any persons who we would classify as crazy feels their delusions are real to them. But they don't in any way reflect reality.

I mean you seriously think Death would let Lucifer out? Death was mightily pissed at Lucifer.

 

[Santeria]

Do people actually think Sam's subconscious mind is actually linking to Lucifer in the Pitt?

The dialogue has been very clear that its just a figment of Sam's shattered subconscious.

I don't think there is any evidence that the real "Lucifer" is an communication with Sam.

This is how I see it.

It's real to Sam, only. Because his shattered mind is forming this "Lucifer" based on his hundred plus years of being around the fallen Angel.

Just like the delusions of any persons who we would classify as crazy feels their delusions are real to them. But they don't in any way reflect reality.

I mean you seriously think Death would let Lucifer out? Death was mightily pissed at Lucifer.

Death's dialogue was pretty convincing. He has some kind of psychic connection with Lucifer. It's not just some 'normal' psychological break.

 

[mswood]

What did Death mention about Sam or Lucifer?

All I remember is, "Sorry Sam only one wall per customer." I Don't recall Death making any references to or about Lucifer since season 5.

Am I missing something.

He talked about the creation of Leviatians, and the creation of Purgatory and that they predate God creating Angels or Humans.

When did Death talk about Sam having a connection with Lucifer? I honestly don't recall any such thing.

Going to go watch the two episodes that Death has been in since during the last two season.

I am going to laugh at myself if I missed something so big.....

 

[Icemizer]

Would the boys really need Death if it was just a normal psychological break? Wouldnt some pills or a hypnotist have worked just as well or some spell in a book Bobby had that makes people forget stuff. I really think a part of Lucifer is riding shotgun in Sams mind and it took someone with the power level of Death to wall him off from Sam. Lucifer had possesed Sam and I am sure left part of himself in there just in case something bad happened.

 

[mswood]

I rewatched all the episodes with Death, the only mention he makes about Sam and Lucifer is that Dean must let his brother throw himself into the pit, that Sam is going to beat Lucifer.

There is nothing about any link between the two. No mention of Lucifer at any time by Death after the end of season five. In fact the closest is when Dean originally ask death to save Sam and he states that Death must be one of the few beings who can't break into the cage.

In fact the only time it's every even mentioned is when Dan is afraid that "Sam" is actually lucifer. Castiel tells him no. That if that occured the angels would be aware of it. Of course Castiel was lying about several things so perhaps this is one of them.

But I just dont see it witout some proof I'd dialogue.

 

[mswood]

Would the boys really need Death if it was just a normal psychological break? Wouldnt some pills or a hypnotist have worked just as well or some spell in a book Bobby had that makes people forget stuff. I really think a part of Lucifer is riding shotgun in Sams mind and it took someone with the power level of Death to wall him off from Sam. Lucifer had possesed Sam and I am sure left part of himself in there just in case something bad happened.

Well it's beyond a break that any doctor alive would have experience with. Sam was in hell for easily over a century, probably 150 plus years.

So while I Think the show has beenclear that it's a psychotic break. It would be beyond our ability to treat. They do even bring up medicine as a treatment in one episode very briefly. Or it would be a situation where Sam is so drugged that he sent a functional being, where he would have to be fully institutionalized. Certainly I don't think Sam or Dean want that to be his future.


In this last episode for example was there anything "Lucifer" told Sam that Sam wouldn't know, or wouldn't consider? Heck even soulless Sam, basically a Sam without morals did things and consider angles that normal Sam wouldn't.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

I don't know if it's a psychotic break or not. It probably is....maybe it's a projection of sorts. Satan actively causing the break? Sticking his finger in and wiggling the pan so to speak? Sam's mind imagines what it will?

Oh, he stabbed the puppy. Not cool. Very, very bad demon. Bad demon. Nice touch with Satan having a bifurcated tongue to stick out. Ewww.....could the Wiccan's son have survived with severed ear without dying of infection or bleeding out? There's so many nerves and capillaries in the head. Wouldn't he have bled to death?

 

[Snaploud]

Would the boys really need Death if it was just a normal psychological break? Wouldnt some pills or a hypnotist have worked just as well or some spell in a book Bobby had that makes people forget stuff. I really think a part of Lucifer is riding shotgun in Sams mind and it took someone with the power level of Death to wall him off from Sam. Lucifer had possesed Sam and I am sure left part of himself in there just in case something bad happened.

I think you're jumping to conclusions. Sam's soul (as per Castiel) had been shredded by Lucifer. That's why it's more than just a psychological break. You don't have to add a piece of Lucifer being left being (something Castiel probably would have mentioned when checking Sam's soul).