Supernatural 7x12 "Time after Time after Time" spoiler discussion

[Dorian Thompson]

New episode tonight, good people. Nicholas Lea, Krycek from the X-Files, guest stars. Looks to be good. I, as usual, will be doing my boss's job for him as clients are coming in so I have to watch at a later time. I wanted to get the thread up before I have to leave. Enjoy.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Here's hoping for some kind of Cyndi Lauper cameo...crossing fingers!

 

[Guy Gardener]

I hate this show.

But if this is about Time travel I might have to watch.

 

[Snick27]

Pretty good episode.

In the Future gas is $4 dollars, cheese in a can and have a black president lol

 

[Icemizer]

The Biff strategy, classic.

 

[mswood]

Quite a nice little episode there. I liked it.

Now would someone please trim Sam's sideburns seriously what the hell is up with that?

 

[Guy Gardener]

He's getting ready for a time slip into 1967.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

That was pretty good, fun with Hunter Ness and his girl Bobby.

Did I see it wrong because I thought the title was shown as simply "Time After Time".

 

[Vendikarr]

That was pretty good, fun with Hunter Ness and his girl Bobby.

Did I see it wrong because I thought the title was shown as simply "Time After Time".

On the episode it just said "Time after Time" but it's been "Time after Time after Time" all over the internet. I'm going to have to go with what was shown on the actual episode myself.

 

[auntiehill]

Decent episode. I liked the message "sent" to Sam and I like the Sheriff character--no sign of ghost-Bobby, though. I really liked Ness telling Dean to man-up. That was priceless!

 

[Guy Gardener]

My brief foray into myth says the gods and titans were not killing each other by stabbing each each other in their hearts.

It was all about castration.

Supernatural wimped out.

"You have to cut his penis off with this magic sickle."

"What?"

"That's the easy bit. Fist you have to try and get his trousers off without Chronos killing you."

 

[mswood]

My brief foray into myth says the gods and titans were not killing each other by stabbing each each other in their hearts.

It was all about castration.

Supernatural wimped out.

"You have to cut his penis off with this magic sickle."

"What?"

"That's the easy bit. Fist you have to try and get his trousers off without Chronos killing you."

That's really interesting as they have only mentioned attacking sexual organs once so far on the show. THough I suppose the couple that eat each other as part of their sexual encounter might have tried consuming each other's sexual organs.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Oh my God, that was awesome! I loved Lea as Ness and I loved his own personal version of Bobby, the incomparable Ezra. I'd kiss Dean, too. A very well done episode. Cry me a river, Nancy Boy. Are all hunters in the future as soft as you?? Different people from different eras....they have different perspectives on gender and what constitutes appropriate behavior. Elliot Ness as a hunter. Awesome. It fills me with awe.

Was that Logan from Veronica Mars as Kronos?

 

[Santeria]

So, is Ezra going to turn out to be Bobby's mother? I could have sworn I saw the surname "Fisher" on the envelops Dean picked up when he got the Back to the Future III idea. 'Course that doesn't really fit in with the mother we saw in his memories. Grandmother maybe?

 

[Vendikarr]

I love that they incorporate historical figures as hunters. Samuel Colt. Elliot Ness.

I could get into a series just looking at past hunters.

I wonder what other historical figures could have been hunters.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Teddy Roosevelt before the presidency. Lots of vampires up on San Juan Hill. Speaking of which, nice touch that the vampires were more common 68 years ago in Ness' time. In season one John mentioned that he thought they'd gone extinct.

Historical figures as hunters...intriguing thought. Harriet Tubman might have killed a few supes who'd infiltrated the underground railroad. Calamity Jane. Sheriff Seth Bullock?? Teddy's a natural though. His wife Edith's biography is full of references to him going on hunting trips every fall, every after the birth of their children. He did the same thing to his first wife, who died 2 days after delivering their only child. He ran off to his ranch in the untamed Badlands for about 2 and a half years, leaving his newborn daughter with his sister. His real life history plays right into the fiction. Plenty of supes and monsters would have been hanging around North Dakota in the 1880s.

 

[hyzmarca]

I'm sort of surprised that Dean didn't try to use this as an opportunity to nip the leviathan problem in the bud. Castiel is still around in 1944 and can possibly be warned about his future fate, just like when Marty warned Doc Brown about the Libyans.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

But didn't he learn that most roads lead to the same fate? The tragic lesson of Mary. Castiel taught him that. He could contact Sam and effect change because Sam's actions hadn't taken place yet.

 

[Santeria]

There's also no reason whatsoever that Castiel would reply to his prayers, as the Castiel of that time would have little reason to even acknowledge him. Especially since Castiel was dead when the time jump occurred, so wouldn't have that omnitemporal sense that angels seem to have when they transport someone into another time.

Doubly so since this was back before Castiel was open-minded, and much more prone to simply smite him.

 

[hyzmarca]

But didn't he learn that most roads lead to the same fate? The tragic lesson of Mary. Castiel taught him that. He could contact Sam and effect change because Sam's actions hadn't taken place yet.

He learned that lesson in Season 5, and then Balthazar unsunk the Titanic in Season 6. History can be changed when there aren't a bunch of angels working behind the scenes to ensure that it's going to happen.

You can, indeed, fight Fate. You can even stab her to death if you have some way to beat her timestop power.