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Not bad. It was bit like "The Thing"
Not bad. It was bit like "The Thing"
Supernatural 6x16 "And Then There Were None" spoiler discussion thread
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If anything, it'll be the 'angel arc' that gets resolved this season of the two main arcs going on. Eve and Purgatory will definitely carry over to the next season if for no other reason than it lets them come up with all the monsters-of-the-week stories they care to come up. And more importantly, it lets them come up with new types of monsters, rather than struggle to find something new in real world mythology.
Anyway, that said, I really liked this episode. It was nice to see people actually die (well, in that it shakes things up) for all of the reasons mentioned earlier in the thread. I wish we could have learned more about Rufus and Bobby's relationship before Rufus's final act, though. But there's always flashbacks, I imagine. There has to be some reason they keep feeding us tidbits about Bobby's history.
If anything, it'll be the 'angel arc' that gets resolved this season of the two main arcs going on. Eve and Purgatory will definitely carry over to the next season if for no other reason than it lets them come up with all the monsters-of-the-week stories they care to come up. And more importantly, it lets them come up with new types of monsters, rather than struggle to find something new in real world mythology.
Anyway, that said, I really liked this episode. It was nice to see people actually die (well, in that it shakes things up) for all of the reasons mentioned earlier in the thread. I wish we could have learned more about Rufus and Bobby's relationship before Rufus's final act, though. But there's always flashbacks, I imagine. There has to be some reason they keep feeding us tidbits about Bobby's history.
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It was surprising to see them kill off two major characters. After grandpa died, I thought it might be temporary. It didn't play out like a big farewell. And speaking of gramps, he doesn't look old enough to be their grandfather. That's always been a bit distracting.
It was surprising to see them kill off two major characters. After grandpa died, I thought it might be temporary. It didn't play out like a big farewell. And speaking of gramps, he doesn't look old enough to be their grandfather. That's always been a bit distracting.
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They are fools then as this was a damn good episode....I can't wait for the old west episode. That's going to be awesome. And I agree that Sam won't be able to forget.
And....the TWOPsters are giving it an F. Won't forgive them for killing Rufus and boring, they say.I knew last week's brief reprieve from them wouldn't last.
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Well, Samuel was killed back in 1973 and resurrected in 2010 in the shape he was back then so that makes sense.
Well, Samuel was killed back in 1973 and resurrected in 2010 in the shape he was back then so that makes sense.
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Or all the different arcs this season are somehow all related and will dovetail into one another as the season approaches its end and will be resolved together.
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But based on I do expect major movement on the angel arc for the last two episodes just based on a one line statement by Collins. I w=do wish they hadn't gotten rid of the arch angels meat suit, he had far stronger presence then the female.
Also a weakness with the purgatory arc (at least so far), is that the actress is just ok. Nothing special, but not awful either. I wish they would have cast a little older.
I did really enjoy this episode. They soundtrack during the locked down scene though didn't really help sell the tension, the direction and lighting did, but the musical underscore just seemed generic.
One thing I do love (and where VD forever lost me as a viewer) was that they treated Samuel as a deadly threat. One that was one way or another going to be taken out. And its consistent with the show. From characters like Gordon (before he vamped out), to Bela, to even Ruby (especially in Dean's eyes), a mortal threat to your loved ones, means you die.
I never really saw the angel arc merging with the Purgatory arc, but who knows.
But based on I do expect major movement on the angel arc for the last two episodes just based on a one line statement by Collins. I w=do wish they hadn't gotten rid of the arch angels meat suit, he had far stronger presence then the female.
Also a weakness with the purgatory arc (at least so far), is that the actress is just ok. Nothing special, but not awful either. I wish they would have cast a little older.
I did really enjoy this episode. They soundtrack during the locked down scene though didn't really help sell the tension, the direction and lighting did, but the musical underscore just seemed generic.
One thing I do love (and where VD forever lost me as a viewer) was that they treated Samuel as a deadly threat. One that was one way or another going to be taken out. And its consistent with the show. From characters like Gordon (before he vamped out), to Bela, to even Ruby (especially in Dean's eyes), a mortal threat to your loved ones, means you die.
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Samuel mentioned in a previous episode that he's now 89 years old in Earth time more or less, if not in body. You'll notice he called Bobby "kid."
Tennison and the mod crew there keep chasing off the positive posters. They tend to stir up the crazies, which are 90+ percent of the SPN forum, so Tennison kicks off the ones who don't count minutes for Sam and Dean (as in who gets more?) and keep the infantile "team Dean" and team Sam mentality idiots. They are "betrayed" that this season hasn't gone according to their wishes; they hate the soulless Sam storyline and don't understand "why it has to be mentioned so often"
(as if just forgetting this major life event would be good writing) and.....it boils down to Sam having been the focus. Dean's not getting his proper due. There are plenty of posters who still bitch and moan that Bobby yelled at Dean in season four and called him princess after Sam beat him up. They don't even connect the revelations about Bobby and Rufus' falling out last night with how Bobby behaved then. They think of themselves as smarter than the average viewer, but it never occurred to them. They're a train wreck, but an entertaining train wreck. 
I, too, love that they treated Samuel as a deadly threat. He's blood, but he's not family. Bobby is family.
Samuel mentioned in a previous episode that he's now 89 years old in Earth time more or less, if not in body. You'll notice he called Bobby "kid."
Tennison and the mod crew there keep chasing off the positive posters. They tend to stir up the crazies, which are 90+ percent of the SPN forum, so Tennison kicks off the ones who don't count minutes for Sam and Dean (as in who gets more?) and keep the infantile "team Dean" and team Sam mentality idiots. They are "betrayed" that this season hasn't gone according to their wishes; they hate the soulless Sam storyline and don't understand "why it has to be mentioned so often"
(as if just forgetting this major life event would be good writing) and.....it boils down to Sam having been the focus. Dean's not getting his proper due. There are plenty of posters who still bitch and moan that Bobby yelled at Dean in season four and called him princess after Sam beat him up. They don't even connect the revelations about Bobby and Rufus' falling out last night with how Bobby behaved then. They think of themselves as smarter than the average viewer, but it never occurred to them. They're a train wreck, but an entertaining train wreck. I, too, love that they treated Samuel as a deadly threat. He's blood, but he's not family. Bobby is family.
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now riddle me this.... is EVE... leader in Pergatory....
or is it something like that Yu Yu Hakusho anime where everybody is fighting out between thems selves for the top spot till one of em gets out....
now riddle me this.... is EVE... leader in Pergatory....
or is it something like that Yu Yu Hakusho anime where everybody is fighting out between thems selves for the top spot till one of em gets out....
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Agreed. I understand why they did it, but still. Not cool.
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I don't know. Interesting question. I do think that Mary Winchester is probably trapped there since she "cancelled out" the poltergeist in season one to save Sam and Dean. Either Samantha Smith and Amy Gumenick could play Mary reunited with the boys.
I don't know. Interesting question. I do think that Mary Winchester is probably trapped there since she "cancelled out" the poltergeist in season one to save Sam and Dean. Either Samantha Smith and Amy Gumenick could play Mary reunited with the boys.
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Good episode, but with all the resurrections I'm not sure how dramatic it feels; Supernatural has gone to heaven and hell, and made it pretty clear that "dying" in Supernatural reality is nothing more than a quick transition to either hell (tough luck) or heaven, which is actually constructed to be a pleasant break room.
They really should have inserted the condition, back when the angels started yanking everyone back from the dead, that a mortal can only be rezzed one time - after that it starts fraying the soul and the rezzed person only lives for a short time before the soul detaches and drifts away.
That way, Samuel for instance, would truly be dead, here. He's already been revived once.
Hell, with all the resurrections that happen, I am surprised no angel or demon ever just yanked the boys' father back as a ploy to buy them off or manipulate them.
Good episode, but with all the resurrections I'm not sure how dramatic it feels; Supernatural has gone to heaven and hell, and made it pretty clear that "dying" in Supernatural reality is nothing more than a quick transition to either hell (tough luck) or heaven, which is actually constructed to be a pleasant break room.
They really should have inserted the condition, back when the angels started yanking everyone back from the dead, that a mortal can only be rezzed one time - after that it starts fraying the soul and the rezzed person only lives for a short time before the soul detaches and drifts away.
That way, Samuel for instance, would truly be dead, here. He's already been revived once.
Hell, with all the resurrections that happen, I am surprised no angel or demon ever just yanked the boys' father back as a ploy to buy them off or manipulate them.
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What I find a lot more interesting is when something is utterly destroyed like with the colt does that monster still go to purgatory?
And when a demon or Angel dies, what happens to them. To they just cease to exist or do they go to Purgatory.
Missouri said Mary destroyed her soul to save the boys. If that was true what is left to go to Purgatory?
What about John his soul is no longer in Hell, and hasn't been since the end of the 2nd season. So did Azazel destroy his soul when they fought on earth, or is John's spirit still roaming the world?
What I find a lot more interesting is when something is utterly destroyed like with the colt does that monster still go to purgatory?
And when a demon or Angel dies, what happens to them. To they just cease to exist or do they go to Purgatory.
Missouri said Mary destroyed her soul to save the boys. If that was true what is left to go to Purgatory?
What about John his soul is no longer in Hell, and hasn't been since the end of the 2nd season. So did Azazel destroy his soul when they fought on earth, or is John's spirit still roaming the world?
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Demons played with their connection with John while he was still in Hell. But John's soul hasn't been in hell for four years now.
And if people could only be resurrected once, then Sam and Dean would both be long dead as they have had multiple turns at dying and being brought back.
as for the supporting characters (ie not the three stars) only two characters have ever been brought back, Bobby once and Samuel once. and as such since how many characters have died on the show, its rare that a reoccuring characters gets saved. Very rare.
Demons played with their connection with John while he was still in Hell. But John's soul hasn't been in hell for four years now.
And if people could only be resurrected once, then Sam and Dean would both be long dead as they have had multiple turns at dying and being brought back.
as for the supporting characters (ie not the three stars) only two characters have ever been brought back, Bobby once and Samuel once. and as such since how many characters have died on the show, its rare that a reoccuring characters gets saved. Very rare.
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I just got done rewatching Season 5 recently. I was under the impression that demons go to Purgatory when they die. After Lucifer lays waste to the earth during the Apocalypse, the Winchesters were saying that Lucifer would kill the demons next. The demons were confused by why Lucifer would kill them since he created them. Crowley said that he couldn't die. So I'm assuming he couldn't go to Purgatory. Crowley was smart enough to realize that (even though the Apocalypse was avoided by the Winchesters) when the "real" thing happens one day, he's toast. That's why I believe Crowley was searching for the location of Purgatory. He was looking for another way (or back door) to enter it so he would have a safe place when Apocalypse finally comes. I assumed that's why he had the Winchesters hunting all those Alphas for him. He was just using the Winchesters to his advantage in order to help save his own hide. In other words, he was just being a typical demon.
I just got done rewatching Season 5 recently. I was under the impression that demons go to Purgatory when they die. After Lucifer lays waste to the earth during the Apocalypse, the Winchesters were saying that Lucifer would kill the demons next. The demons were confused by why Lucifer would kill them since he created them. Crowley said that he couldn't die. So I'm assuming he couldn't go to Purgatory. Crowley was smart enough to realize that (even though the Apocalypse was avoided by the Winchesters) when the "real" thing happens one day, he's toast. That's why I believe Crowley was searching for the location of Purgatory. He was looking for another way (or back door) to enter it so he would have a safe place when Apocalypse finally comes. I assumed that's why he had the Winchesters hunting all those Alphas for him. He was just using the Winchesters to his advantage in order to help save his own hide. In other words, he was just being a typical demon.
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In a demon's case, I definitely believe they cease to exist. That's why they're so terrified of it when they see it coming. Angels, I'm not so sure. I don't see why God would have them simply be destroyed rather than welcome them back into Heaven (at least not if they died in His name doing His work). But even they seem concerned about what happens when it occurs, so it's very possible that they're destroyed, too.
I don't think Crowley was after Purgatory for anything more than what he basically admitted; more foot soldiers for his plans for war and conquest, most likely against Heaven.
I think the more important question to ask is who created Purgatory. Death seems to consider himself an equal, if not superior, to God, so he's the only one I can see filling that position. Doubly so since Purgatory is often described as the waiting room between Heaven and Hell. Since we also have no idea where Death's harbinger's reside -- we've assumed it was Hell, but it was never stated -- Purgatory seems the most likely candidate to me.
In a demon's case, I definitely believe they cease to exist. That's why they're so terrified of it when they see it coming. Angels, I'm not so sure. I don't see why God would have them simply be destroyed rather than welcome them back into Heaven (at least not if they died in His name doing His work). But even they seem concerned about what happens when it occurs, so it's very possible that they're destroyed, too.
I don't think Crowley was after Purgatory for anything more than what he basically admitted; more foot soldiers for his plans for war and conquest, most likely against Heaven.
I think the more important question to ask is who created Purgatory. Death seems to consider himself an equal, if not superior, to God, so he's the only one I can see filling that position. Doubly so since Purgatory is often described as the waiting room between Heaven and Hell. Since we also have no idea where Death's harbinger's reside -- we've assumed it was Hell, but it was never stated -- Purgatory seems the most likely candidate to me.
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Demons are very rarely actually killed. The colt has offed a few, Sam has done a lot, the knife has taken many down and Lucifer has taken a few hundred.
Usually they are just sent back to hell, not actually destroyed.
Just as Angels can be sent back to heaven, but rarely do we see them out and out destroyed (though it has occurred), and it clearly appears they don't go back to heaven. Nor does it appear that angels have the ability to restore angels.
Demons are very rarely actually killed. The colt has offed a few, Sam has done a lot, the knife has taken many down and Lucifer has taken a few hundred.
Usually they are just sent back to hell, not actually destroyed.
Just as Angels can be sent back to heaven, but rarely do we see them out and out destroyed (though it has occurred), and it clearly appears they don't go back to heaven. Nor does it appear that angels have the ability to restore angels.
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Re: Supernatural 6x16 "And Then There Were None" spoiler discussion th
Those were the ones I was talking about. The ones who were actually killed, not simply banished.
Considering the power of blood magic (it worked even in a universe that didn't possess any magic whatsoever), if demons were sent to Purgatory when they were destroyed, someone would have known about it.
Those were the ones I was talking about. The ones who were actually killed, not simply banished.
Considering the power of blood magic (it worked even in a universe that didn't possess any magic whatsoever), if demons were sent to Purgatory when they were destroyed, someone would have known about it.
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