Supernatural 6x11 "Appointment in Samarra" spoilers/discussion
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They should've played Death's theme song.
Hallelujah! Sam is re-souled!
I wish Dead Like Me was still around.
Eh...I didn't care for this episode. It started out interestingly enough but then it veered off into the predictable with a lot of scenes that felt like they were killing time i.e. the whole cat-and-mouse with Sam and Bobby(I also for one minute would never believe Bobby would be as dumb as to open the door and go down into the basement).
And the Dean thread was surprisingly lacking given the subject material--it ended up coming across like a bad episode of The Ghost Whisperer with very little drama milked from it and what attempts were made were very elementary school and nothing really new or insightful was mined. No new spin just more of the same notion of their being an order to death and if one attempts to mess with it all sorts of bad things happen. They didn't even really try to tie it back into all the times Sam and Dean died and were brought back--I actually expected that they would comment on this but alas nothing.
I'm also not really liking Sam at all this season--sometimes a character can be one you love to hate or one you feel bad for because of the situation they are in but no, I just can't stand Sam at all which isn't helping my enjoyment of the show. For me SN is over--its heyday is behind it and I'm not really invested in it anymore. If this is the last season, I'll ride it out but if CW tries to bring it back for a 7th season I doubt I'll stick with it. In fact, when SN returns in January it will be going up against Fringe and while Fringe is far from solid and is decidedly uneven with some weak characters I've enjoyed it far more than I have SN I'm going to watch Fringe live and DVR SN.
Very poor outing tonite--D+.
And the Dean thread was surprisingly lacking given the subject material--it ended up coming across like a bad episode of The Ghost Whisperer with very little drama milked from it and what attempts were made were very elementary school and nothing really new or insightful was mined. No new spin just more of the same notion of their being an order to death and if one attempts to mess with it all sorts of bad things happen. They didn't even really try to tie it back into all the times Sam and Dean died and were brought back--I actually expected that they would comment on this but alas nothing.
I'm also not really liking Sam at all this season--sometimes a character can be one you love to hate or one you feel bad for because of the situation they are in but no, I just can't stand Sam at all which isn't helping my enjoyment of the show. For me SN is over--its heyday is behind it and I'm not really invested in it anymore. If this is the last season, I'll ride it out but if CW tries to bring it back for a 7th season I doubt I'll stick with it. In fact, when SN returns in January it will be going up against Fringe and while Fringe is far from solid and is decidedly uneven with some weak characters I've enjoyed it far more than I have SN I'm going to watch Fringe live and DVR SN.
Very poor outing tonite--D+.
Imagine if there really is a grim reaper roming around killing people just by a touch... this episode was actually one of season's six's better episodes.
Good episode.
EVERY show that has Death ends up having an episode like this, with someone taking Death's job for a day. I thought it was interesting that Death helped Dean at the end. Did Death always intend to get Sam's soul back? Did he decide to screw with Dean first by making him put on the ring?
I wasn't that big of a fan of the Sam stalking Bobby scenes. No way they would have had Sam actually be able to kill Bobby. But I guess it did its job by showing is that soulless Sam needed to go. There really wasn't a reason until this week while Sam had to get resouled.
I really liked seeing Death again. The actor that plays him on this show was perfectly cast.
EVERY show that has Death ends up having an episode like this, with someone taking Death's job for a day. I thought it was interesting that Death helped Dean at the end. Did Death always intend to get Sam's soul back? Did he decide to screw with Dean first by making him put on the ring?
I wasn't that big of a fan of the Sam stalking Bobby scenes. No way they would have had Sam actually be able to kill Bobby. But I guess it did its job by showing is that soulless Sam needed to go. There really wasn't a reason until this week while Sam had to get resouled.
I really liked seeing Death again. The actor that plays him on this show was perfectly cast.
^^ My impression is that he was pretty much resigned to getting Sam's soul but that he wanted Dean to appreciate what that really meant, not that he just wanted to screw with him.
I really liked it, but I really am still waiting for them to knock something out of the ball park.
First my dislikes, I found it a little rushed, I honestly think there was enough material here to really nail two episodes. As I felt they could have certainly gone deeper and darker in both story lines.
Two, Sam having his hell experience blocked, even if temporary. While I understand Sam would be seriously fucked up, I really kind of want to see that. To me thats the meat and potatoes. But of course I was also the poster that really wanted to see Dean deal with his hell experience (I wanted On The Head of the Pin Dean to be well every damn episode), and of course there is no way that a show on the CW (let alone on network tv) that's going to have a character be tortured week in and week out to the degree I want to see. The networks know that the audience would not hang with that at all. But it still bothers me a little.
Three: My stupid local station ( a crappy secondary HD signal) never shows any previews, so I have no idea if any aired. THis is of course a issue with every stinking episode.
Neutral: Tessa. The actress and the role just kind of bores me a little. It's not a bad performance, but it also isn't a riveting one either.
Likes: Like that Sam just walked away (apparently) from Dean last week, and wasn't abandoning him.
Likes: Bobby rigging his house. Fits the character and history of what we know of Bobby.
Likes: That the show did use a kid, and that Dean did kill her. The show on occasion tends to shy away from that. For example the producers deliberately had Lilith towards the end take a adult host to prevent the audience from seeing 9ft Sam killing a kid, even one possessed by the original demon, and they admit that they didn't go dark with the opening of the Christmas episode because it featured kids. So I liked that they went there.
Liked: That the show finally acknowledges the fact that hunters would need some form of illegal medical assistance from time to time. You can't just take everything to a local hospital, nor can you manage to patch yourself up all the time.
Loved: Death, the casting of this role is absolutely stellar. I didn't know if the actor could manage it again, but no worries at all. He nailed, every scene, hell every single line. And of course nice to see Freddy bringing someone to an altered state.
Loved: The show having Sam go after Bobby. I have often mentioned how this "Soulless" version of Sam is similar (though not the same, of course) as the Sam who withdrew into himself in Mystery Spot. But seeing how the real Sam was willing to kill Bobby to bring Dean back, just seemed great to see Soulless Sam willing to take out Bobby (who he really doesn't have a connection with) to keep his existence safe.
Loved: The progress made through this 11 episodes (even with the parts in those 11 episodes I didn't like), I haven't felt like any episode has been spinning its wheel's (see the 5 - 10 last season). I think this is actually the fastest the shows has ever started and progressed through a an arc before.
Really am looking forward to having a Sam back that actually has some emotional connection to those around him and the experiences he's going through. But the show better address in some real form the emotional damage done to Sam, otherwise these last 11 episodes will truly be one sided character wise (as they will be primarily about Dean's emotional reaction to the events that occurred.
First my dislikes, I found it a little rushed, I honestly think there was enough material here to really nail two episodes. As I felt they could have certainly gone deeper and darker in both story lines.
Two, Sam having his hell experience blocked, even if temporary. While I understand Sam would be seriously fucked up, I really kind of want to see that. To me thats the meat and potatoes. But of course I was also the poster that really wanted to see Dean deal with his hell experience (I wanted On The Head of the Pin Dean to be well every damn episode), and of course there is no way that a show on the CW (let alone on network tv) that's going to have a character be tortured week in and week out to the degree I want to see. The networks know that the audience would not hang with that at all. But it still bothers me a little.
Three: My stupid local station ( a crappy secondary HD signal) never shows any previews, so I have no idea if any aired. THis is of course a issue with every stinking episode.
Neutral: Tessa. The actress and the role just kind of bores me a little. It's not a bad performance, but it also isn't a riveting one either.
Likes: Like that Sam just walked away (apparently) from Dean last week, and wasn't abandoning him.
Likes: Bobby rigging his house. Fits the character and history of what we know of Bobby.
Likes: That the show did use a kid, and that Dean did kill her. The show on occasion tends to shy away from that. For example the producers deliberately had Lilith towards the end take a adult host to prevent the audience from seeing 9ft Sam killing a kid, even one possessed by the original demon, and they admit that they didn't go dark with the opening of the Christmas episode because it featured kids. So I liked that they went there.
Liked: That the show finally acknowledges the fact that hunters would need some form of illegal medical assistance from time to time. You can't just take everything to a local hospital, nor can you manage to patch yourself up all the time.
Loved: Death, the casting of this role is absolutely stellar. I didn't know if the actor could manage it again, but no worries at all. He nailed, every scene, hell every single line. And of course nice to see Freddy bringing someone to an altered state.
Loved: The show having Sam go after Bobby. I have often mentioned how this "Soulless" version of Sam is similar (though not the same, of course) as the Sam who withdrew into himself in Mystery Spot. But seeing how the real Sam was willing to kill Bobby to bring Dean back, just seemed great to see Soulless Sam willing to take out Bobby (who he really doesn't have a connection with) to keep his existence safe.
Loved: The progress made through this 11 episodes (even with the parts in those 11 episodes I didn't like), I haven't felt like any episode has been spinning its wheel's (see the 5 - 10 last season). I think this is actually the fastest the shows has ever started and progressed through a an arc before.
Really am looking forward to having a Sam back that actually has some emotional connection to those around him and the experiences he's going through. But the show better address in some real form the emotional damage done to Sam, otherwise these last 11 episodes will truly be one sided character wise (as they will be primarily about Dean's emotional reaction to the events that occurred.
The husband of the dead nurse watching Dean disappear into thin air has to be a setup for something, right? They lingered on it too long for it to just be to show us what happens to Dean when he puts on the ring.
Just like all this talk about the wall in Sam's head means it WILL break.
Just like all this talk about the wall in Sam's head means it WILL break.
I think the wall will break by the end of next episode. In the beginning, it'll seem like he's Sam before he went to Hell. But over the course of the episode, there'll be signs of cracks emerging within the wall causing Sam to have some flickers of memory and behavior brought on by his time in Hell. Then by the final scene of the episode, the wall will be utterly shattered setting up what is to come in the following episode Unforgiven which is when I think Sam struggles with intense feelings of guilt and self-loathing about his time in Hell and everything he's done in the past year as soulless Sam.
OR
The wall fails immediately after his re-souling and Sam pretends like he's okay until the end of the episode.
OR
The wall fails immediately after his re-souling and Sam pretends like he's okay until the end of the episode.
There's a shocker.
What would actually be a shocker is if you came into one of these threads and actually discussed the episode and not my posts.
If you feel that it is was a really good episode then discuss all the stuff you liked rather than worrying about whether I liked the episode or not.You'll be happy to know I probably won't post anymore in the SN threads when the show returns in January. SN isn't a show that interests me much these days and I don't really get excited talking about it either positively or negatively--a sure sign for me that a show is mediocre. At least with a really good show I can talk all day about everything I enjoyed and with a truly bad show I can have some fun tearing it apart. I am mainly watching it out of a sense of momentum--plus there is so very little in terms of entertainment that is even passable these days that I want SN to remind me--even if it is just once in a while--of its halycon days in S1 or say S4.
What would actually be a shocker is if you came into one of these threads and actually discussed the episode and not my posts.
Do you always laugh at your own "jokes"? Your posts read practically the same every week. What's to discuss?
Well the reason they sound the same most weeks is the same issues that I see as weaknesses continue to persist--it also to me indicates the show has become formulaic and predictable.
Well....this *is* a discussion thread dedicated to this week's SN episode so you might want to discuss the actual episode and share your opinion on why the episode was better than I gave it credit for rather than making a snarky comment about my post--but maybe that is easier and less taxing for you.
And yet you're the only person who is negative about the show in these threads.
Well, duh. Writing a one-liner is easier and less taxing than an in-depth review. Got anymore startling revelations for us?
So? Are we all suppose to see everything the same way? I didn't realize you only could say great things about the show in this thread.
Everybody in this thread might like this episode and they might love this season of the show but I'm not obligated to share those same feelings or "go along to get along" if I really feel the show's quality isn't what I think it should be. I don't blindly bash SN--I actually really used to enjoy it--but I have felt it has some serious issues that it can't seem to shake--formulaic action where the boys are put in jeopardy and there is absolutely no tension or suspense as to the outcome, dull recycled supernatural plots, poor plotting which has led to an aimless feel as far as the storytelling, far too much meta-commentary and breaking of the fourth wall, far too many comedic elements/episodes that have undermined the show's dramatic bona fides. A lot of the episodes don't feel like a coherent whole that is satisfying in its own right but more like 40 minutes existing as merely a means to an end.
You, and others, obviously disagree-that's fine--but most posters come to this board to share their thoughts and read what others liked/didn't like about something. So you can either skim past my posts or put me on ignore but I don't really see the point of your only contribution to these threads childish comments about me not liking an episode.
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