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Supernatural 5x1 "Sympathy For the Devil" discussion thread/spoilerish

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Oh yeah, Misha's here to stay. I like it. I suspect he'll be instrumental in rebuilding the brother's trust. He is Dean's true friend, after all.
 
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Misha?!?

Oh ........F**K......You just gave me a heart attack there since for a nano-second, I thought that insipid Misha Barton had joined the cast.


Don't want NO hos gettin' between my bros.


:D :D :D
 
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Have they ever explained the high body count? As in the brothers would be wanted for mass murder? Killing the vessel to kill the demon/angel inside leaves a dead person behind.
 
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Have they ever explained the high body count? As in the brothers would be wanted for mass murder? Killing the vessel to kill the demon/angel inside leaves a dead person behind.

I think we are not meant to notice this - kinda like the whole "credit card fraud" thing that is just part of the show's background. It's like ST's universal translator. Don't ask, don't tell.
 
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Loved the ep. After seeing him in Lost, I'm looking forward to seeing Pellegrino's Lucifer. I'm glad Dean hasn't totally forgiven Sam for what he did and now everything's all sunshine and roses--but then again, I never really expected him to, anyway. Most actions actually have consequences in Supernatural, thank goodness. :techman:

I was completely surprised by the Bobby possession, not because it was shocking, but because it was unbelievable. After all he's been through and with everything he knows about demons and possession, no way should that have happened to him. That, and the creepy fangirl, were the weakest parts of the episode for me.

And I really can't wait to see Zachariah get his comeuppance. You know it's going to happen, and Dean had better be the one to dish it out. He's no better than Azazel, Lilith, or Lucifer, as far as I'm concerned. I'm thinking that Castiel was brought back by God, and is now working personally for Him, sent back to protect Dean from the hardliner angels like Zachariah who are going against God's will.

I still think Michael will end up wearing Dean at some point, even if it's only for a little while. He'll probably be tricked into consenting, or something. He'd never willingly say yes. Dean's awesome like that. :techman:
 
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Not as good as "In My Time of Dying" but I think its pretty damn close to "Lazarus Rising".

Loved them dropping "Carry On My Wayward Son", the refresher was much better done, and the teaser was very nice.

I pretty much liked everything, with three exceptions.

1. Sam #1 Fan, sorry but felt her character was to over the top for this episode.

2. MEg. Sorry didn't get the feeling of this demon being Meg. Not that the performance was boring, it just didn't seem to match her snark and behaviors we have seen when she's really cut loose (Born Under a Bad Sign, Shadow, Salvation and Devil's Trap).

3. Bobby getting possessed. Come on, really. He was front and center at the opening of the gate to hell, he has personally watched hunters being possessed and used as weapons, and he absolutely knows ways to prevent it. This is the man who puts holy water in his drink, we are honestly supposed to believe he doesn't have a tattoo?

Things I loved
1. That teaser..
2. Dean's discomfort around Sam
3. Sam telling Bobby the truth and not letting Lilith take the blame.
4. Dean really trying to get Sam to not tell Bobby, I think Dean's understands this far better. He truly remembers how bad it was when Hunters thought he had connections as just one of the Psychic kids.
5. Dean's honesty to Sam at the end.

That was the one I dreaded the most, because I honestly thought they would play it more like Bobby's verbal assault on Sam. And if they did that then I would have been pissed, because in many ways all of that is in fact Dean's specific fault. Sam fought to keep his own soul and died not risking his soul to save himself. Dean was the one who sought out the aid of demons, he was the one to bring back Sam, and he was the one to break the first seal setting all of this in motion.

as for what he does blame his brother for, well thats less murky (though he also took another side over Sam's, a side that betrayed him and Sam as much as Ruby did, so really pot calling kettle, your black). But on that more personal level it works. And I do want Sam to suffer for that, but at some point we do need to see (whether from Sam or from self awareness or another) that between himself, the angels and Ruby Sam wasn't given a lot of real choice.

Refresh my memory. Whose side did Dean take over Sam's? I personally loved how that went down between the brothers because I was a bit put off by the way Sam glommed onto that bitch Ruby last season. I was delighted when Sam actually held her so Dean could mess her up. Anyway a quiet, calm Dean is much more frightening that a yelling Dean. This is going to be a rocking season. This was maybe the best season premiere yet.
 
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Damn! Luci's seduction of Nick into accepting him was sinster. :wtf: The blood oozing out of the crib of his dead child, the lilting voice of his wife.

People misunderstand me. But then she asked the question--why didn't God do something while a crazy man slipped into your house and murdered your wife and child? Why doesn't God do something? Haven't we all asked that at one time or another? Perfect seduction.

The last scene with Dean and Sam--awesome. You let me down in ways I can't describe, Sam. Dean was soft spoken, clear, and he let him have it. Sam isn't the baby anymore and Dean doesn't have the strength in him to make him feel better.

Dean being Michael's sword....nice. And yet he refused. Dean still takes responsibility for his own actions. He thinks for himself. That's the point. That's why God likes him. Dean has lost so much in life, but he refused while Nick succumbed to Lucifer's manipulation. Dean lost his family. Nick lost his family. Nick said "yes" while Dean said "no."

Castiel was cool. Zachariah was a total douche. God put them on the plane, obviously. Meg was HOT. :evil: Oddly enough, the only part of the episode that didn't really work for me was Bobby's possession. It seemed.....rushed? Having Bobby working to regain use of his legs creates a tense dynamic between him and the boys. For storyline purposes, I understand the reason. The demons wouldn't have been there had it not been for Sam, but something about it seemed off. Peronally, I think Bobby did mean what he said, if only a little bit.

A great start. A somber start. Mark Pellegrino is going to be outstanding. :techman:

I agree with you about Lucifer's seduction of Nick. I hate it when fans give badass characters cutesy nicknames, i.e. Luci for Lucifer. This is the big bad for the season. Show some respect. Meg, hot? In what bizarro world or is slutty looking your thing? Just asking. :guffaw:
 
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Since I'm a straight female, no, a slutty looking female isn't my thing. I meant hot in terms of the character herself. Striking. Happening.
 
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Lucifer's seduction - excellent, creepy, and yet so completely understandable.

Fan girl - hilarious. She was writing slash fic right at that moment. She's a mod on http://www.MoreThanBrothers.com. Love it. I'm going to check if that actually exists.

EDIT: it does! But it's about soldiers or something, not Wincest. Boo!
 
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Oh yeah, Misha's here to stay. I like it. I suspect he'll be instrumental in rebuilding the brother's trust. He is Dean's true friend, after all.

Actually no Castiel has not been a friend of Dean's.

He has wanted to do God's will, but a friend of Dean's. I don't think so.

His actions aren't those of a friend. What he has done is worse by far, then what Sam or Dean has done.

I don't think he acted to finally help Dean (after helping set all of this in motion) because Dean is his friend. I think he did it because he realized that the order's he has been following weren't from God.

That's his motivator, not Dean.

And I dearly fear that Dean will be all buddy, buddy to Castiel and I think that will truly piss me off.
 
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Yeah, but it was Dean's words that motivated him to see that the orders weren't from God. Dean has had a considerable influence on Castiel. The fact that Castiel let Sam out will come out in the wash, eventually.
 
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Here's hoping Mark Pellegrino (Lucifer) makes as good an impression as Misha Collins (Castiel) did last season.

It's funny that Mark Pellegrino is playing the devil considering he's supposedly the devil on "LOST
 
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Leahbobo

Dean since episode 4 has taken Heaven's side over Sam's. He choose to believe Heaven over Sam, even swearing them his service. The time he didn't, when he actually told the angels off is only when he discovered the truth, something Sam never was told until after the fact. Sam took Ruby's side over Dean. He choose to believe her (that Sam was the one who could stop Lilith, not Dean). Which is after all what both Ruby and all the angels have been telling both brothers was what needed to happen. Dean picked the angels over Sam on that.

Now both brothers were actually right. Dean wasn't the one who was able to stop Lilith, and Dean was right that Ruby was playing Sam (of course the angels were playing Dean).
 
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Yeah, but it was Dean's words that motivated him to see that the orders weren't from God. Dean has had a considerable influence on Castiel. The fact that Castiel let Sam out will come out in the wash, eventually.

Yeah sure Dean made his argument and Castiel agreed with it. But was that due to his friendship to Dean, are due to his growing self doubts. After all he already knows as fact that Heaven's agents have lied to him. And has been showing great doubts since half way through the season. And most off that has come solely off of his interactions with Anna and Uriel, not Dean.
 
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The way the first scene with Sam's No. 1 Fan ended was exactly like Galaxy Quest.

I was expecting Lucifer to offer his first action to be that he'll kill the guy who murdered Nick's family.
 
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Loved them dropping "Carry On My Wayward Son", the refresher was much better done, and the teaser was very nice.
Actually they have used "Carry On My Wayward Son" for the season enders since season 2 (it was the song for the penultimate episode of season 1). And they've used AC/DC songs for the season openers since the third season, namely "Hells Bells", "You Shook Me All Night Long" and now "Thunderstruck". I just love the music on the show! :)

Anyways, I too loved this episode. The only thing, that didn't make sense to me, was how Bobby was possessed, since he really should have one of the tattoos, too. And while I didn't realise that he was possessed, when he chewed Sam out, I did notice, that he seemed a little off. So props to Jim Beaver.

What I'm wondering also, is just how responsible it is of Dean, not letting Michael fight through him? I get that, in general, the angels are douches and that the brothers can't trust them, but it currently seems like the best (and for now only) way to defeat Lucifer.
 
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Well the first bit of ratings info is out, Vampire Diaries should be between 4 to 5 million in viewers. Supernatural dropped dramatically and we should fall between 2.85 to 3.3 million viewers.
 
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Not as good as "In My Time of Dying" but I think its pretty damn close to "Lazarus Rising".

Loved them dropping "Carry On My Wayward Son", the refresher was much better done, and the teaser was very nice.

I pretty much liked everything, with three exceptions.

1. Sam #1 Fan, sorry but felt her character was to over the top for this episode.

I loved it.. it was a real poke in the eye to the weirdos who have this Sam and Dean brother romance thing they constantly go on about. Yeech.

2. MEg. Sorry didn't get the feeling of this demon being Meg. Not that the performance was boring, it just didn't seem to match her snark and behaviors we have seen when she's really cut loose (Born Under a Bad Sign, Shadow, Salvation and Devil's Trap).

Gotta agree with ya here... poor job as Meg.

3. Bobby getting possessed. Come on, really. He was front and center at the opening of the gate to hell, he has personally watched hunters being possessed and used as weapons, and he absolutely knows ways to prevent it. This is the man who puts holy water in his drink, we are honestly supposed to believe he doesn't have a tattoo?

Hmm.. I can see your point but we've literally got hell on earth now. I can see a bolder, stronger demon force be able to dot hat to bobby with Lucifer out.

Things I loved
1. That teaser..
2. Dean's discomfort around Sam
3. Sam telling Bobby the truth and not letting Lilith take the blame.
4. Dean really trying to get Sam to not tell Bobby, I think Dean's understands this far better. He truly remembers how bad it was when Hunters thought he had connections as just one of the Psychic kids.
5. Dean's honesty to Sam at the end.

That was the one I dreaded the most, because I honestly thought they would play it more like Bobby's verbal assault on Sam. And if they did that then I would have been pissed, because in many ways all of that is in fact Dean's specific fault. Sam fought to keep his own soul and died not risking his soul to save himself. Dean was the one who sought out the aid of demons, he was the one to bring back Sam, and he was the one to break the first seal setting all of this in motion.

as for what he does blame his brother for, well thats less murky (though he also took another side over Sam's, a side that betrayed him and Sam as much as Ruby did, so really pot calling kettle, your black). But on that more personal level it works. And I do want Sam to suffer for that, but at some point we do need to see (whether from Sam or from self awareness or another) that between himself, the angels and Ruby Sam wasn't given a lot of real choice.

As usual I raged at Dean for his stance towards Sam. Ticked me off quite a bit. It's holier than thou crap where Dean doesn't have a leg to stand on. I hope Sam stands up to Dean and doesn't just take crap from him all season. I will lose a TON of respect for this show if he doesn't.
 
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Maybe it's because I'm a guy, but I don't get the fangirl's reactions to Sam and Dean. Dean seems like the one with the better looks. Is it because Sam is tall?

And speaking of fangirl, if she believes everything in the novels is true, does that mean we haven't seen the last of her?
 
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