Superman
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RUMOR. Henry Cavill's return reported to not be as done a deal as we thought.
https://www.thewrap.com/henry-cavill-superman-return-in-doubt-dc-future/
Here we go again. Another DC post credit that won't go anywhere.
https://www.thewrap.com/henry-cavill-superman-return-in-doubt-dc-future/
Here we go again. Another DC post credit that won't go anywhere.
Thanks. But how do you think that story would adapt to the big screen today, compared to the stuff Guy posted?
Your link is comic based, while his are about more recent on screen adventures of the magician Felix Faust and my first question, does DC have a powerful magician to take on Superman.
My follow-up question which has not been addressed from Guy's video, does Hades final forever control of Faust prohibit a Superman/Faust encounter unless he escapes Hades... how married to the live action canon is that animated story detail?
I think that article might just be trying to stir the pot.
So there's a search underway for a writer but there's no writer currently attached to the project. Whoda thunk? I'm also not sure if there is anything unusual about not having a "formal deal" at this stage.
Gunn has been very clear about what is true is what is not, and tweeted the following @ 4:02--
Some would love to spell disaster where Cavill's return is concerned, but one--new productions do not pop out of thin air like magic, and two--with no story or stories written, no one in their right mind is going to jump ahead and make announcements about that which has not been developed yet. So, regarding any leaks from unnamed insiders--perhaps it is sensible to refer to Gunn's post before certain news sources post their "scoops".
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I dunno, I think Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Wonder Woman were pretty decent Superman films.
It IS kind of weird how Captain America has managed to pull off being a pretty good take on the Superman character type for a modern audience.
Heck, Baron Zemo's motivations seem to be a better execution of Lex Luthor's usual justifications for hating Superheroes as well. So both Cap and his enemy have pulled off being analogs to Superman and Luthor in well received ways.
Heck, Baron Zemo's motivations seem to be a better execution of Lex Luthor's usual justifications for hating Superheroes as well. So both Cap and his enemy have pulled off being analogs to Superman and Luthor in well received ways.
Luthor had a "they killed my family" justification?
Because the writers and directors understood that you can make a movie that is dark without the central character being dark -- that you can do hope and optimism and emotional depth and complexity.
As long as show why the character chooses it I'm good with optimism and good characters.
Well, later Zemo says he had reasoning beyond just that. Or he expanded his initial hatred from his family dying to bigger reasons.
In the comics, Luthor's hatred of Superman was expanded to the point that he hates all Superheroes. His motives tend to be that Superheroes make humans too dependant and complacent and as such, for all the good superheroes do, they ultimately are holding Humanity back. Or at least those are the lies he believes. It's made clear that Luthor is actually envious of Superheroes for the way Humans worship them when it's HIM he wants Humanity to look to.
Those implications are there in the DCEU Luthor, but he hasn't gotten enough time to really explain himself in a coherent way.
Similarly, Zemo expanded his hatred of the Avengers to a hatred of the very idea of the Superhero along similar lines. That for whatever good they accomplish, they end up becoming Icons and Symbols which inspire followers and movements and these things are easily corrupted and lead to more violence and death. Humanity is bad enough without "False Gods" causing more damage.
Which is ignoring the fact that HE is a Rich, Powerful Nobleman who traditionally would be the one with power and influence over most other people.
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No, so there's no justifiable comparison between Zemo and Luthor. The DCEU's Luthor embodied the best of comic-book Luthor's jealousy / transferring his atheistic hatred of God to super powered individuals (and the fact some humans convinced themselves to believe in aliens as if they were God--which rendered his alleged genius status / ability to something not above the rest of humanity). That's a far different judgement than the abuse of power arguments made by Zemo, since he's well aware of truly super-powered beings (e.g., Thor), but his concern was not Thor or the Hulk, but humans' use of the Super Soldier formula in the historical eugenics sense (as seen in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier).
One of Byrne's best contributions to the character was changing his motivations for hating Superman. And since Byrne's run other writers have built upon those motivations to make a nicely nuanced character out of Luthor. Much better than hating Superman because Superboy caused his baldness while saving his life.
Really? I just found Baron Zemo rather stupid. If he had truly exercised his brains, he would have realized that Tony Stark and Bruce Banner had created Ultron, due to their scientific curiosity. And that the rest of the Avengers were forced to clean up their mess. Even Robert Gonzalez of "Agents of SHIELD" realized this (at least in regard to Stark) in late Season 2 of the series. And this was around the time when the old S.H.I.E.L.D. no longer existed. I also was not impressed by how Marvel used Zemo in "Civil War".
Well, they weren't going to make Zemo the main character of the movie the way DC often does with its villains (Joker in particular) or X-Men (with Magneto).
Him deciding it was the superheroic ideal itself that was to blame for the likes of Tony and Bruce being in the position to create Ultron makes sense though, rather than blaming them specifically. He could've just blamed those two, but the reason they were in the position to make Ultron was due to the Avengers as a whole. Not keeping Stark on a tighter leash.
DCEU Luthor's whole argument of Superman being God fell apart as soon as he discovered Kryptonite. Because then he had the proof that Superman wasn't all-powerful and never was. If they'd focused more on him thinking that Superman was ultimately bad for Humanity via making them complacent, it would've made for a better argument.
He talked about the Super Soldiers because they were the priority at that time, but his arguments were aimed at all Superbeings. He referenced the Avengers as a whole, not just Steve.
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His was the power behind Emperor Joker…a good Batman tale.
Black Adam Post Credit...
Black Adam and Captain Marvel are both sourced by Magic... Even when they were not shooting him with magic lightning bolts, just their regular punching adds a edxtra wallop because the magic underpinning their "power" from Zeus and their "strength" from Hercules, and "Endurance" from Atlas.
I was watching Black Adam, and I said to myself "how the fuck does this bronze age mother f%cker know from the Queen's English.. The King's English?"
The wisdom of Solomon.
Henry Cavil has been unfired.
Black Adam and Captain Marvel are both sourced by Magic... Even when they were not shooting him with magic lightning bolts, just their regular punching adds a edxtra wallop because the magic underpinning their "power" from Zeus and their "strength" from Hercules, and "Endurance" from Atlas.
I was watching Black Adam, and I said to myself "how the fuck does this bronze age mother f%cker know from the Queen's English.. The King's English?"
The wisdom of Solomon.
And Alan Moore stated he was Superman's greatest enemy, beyond Luthor and Brainiac
I dunno, I think Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Wonder Woman were pretty decent Superman films.
For me, so were "Man of Steel", "Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice" and "ZS's Justice League". I guess we all have our own preferences. I don't need Captain America to be some kind of quasi-Superman. I need him to be Captain America aka Steve Rogers.
Exactly. The MCU Cap (the Rogers version) was not the "Boy Scout" dream of some fans. Despite fighting vintage and current Nazis or successors, he routinely imposed his will on others to achieve goals, had no problem using lethal force (notably preventing Bucky from killing guards to prevent Barnes from piling on his alleged guilt), accused SHEILD of employing fear to cotrol the population, and was at the heart of the conflict over the accords in Civil War. IOW, he was no goody two-shoes saluting and doing the government's will with a smile which is at the heart of the false "Boy Scout" fantasy dreamed up by certain fans.