Superman

[JoeZhang]

I admit I would have loved to see what Chris Reeve could have done with Ultraman...

The original CSA were interesting in that they were not simply evil duplicates but oddball versions - Johnny Quick? A guy who’s helmet made him really fast, Ultraman an astronaut from earth. Owlman… who knows.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Owlman… who knows.

I know in JLA: Earth 2, Owlman was Bruce's brother - Thomas Wayne Jr. - but I don't think any of the other versions ran with that.

 

[Set Harth]

So what was the point of the "heartbeat" in the after credits scene?

There was no after credits scene.

 

[crookeddy]

There was no after credits scene.

Pre-credits scene.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I admit I would have loved to see what Chris Reeve could have done with Ultraman...



Self-defense.

The one time (in the comics) I remember Superman killing people out of pettiness was when he used Gold K to rob Quex-Ul, Faora and [person I can't remember] of their powers, THEN killed them

Reeve didn't do that. He did take away the powers of Zod and his ilk, but then faced off against them in a fair fight.

Clark got his powers back as The Zod Squad lost their powers. It was not a fair fight. Well, Lois killing Lursa was a fair fight, but that's about it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Non fell to his own death so he's the only one of the three who wasn't directly taken out by Superman or Lois, either in the theatrical cut or in Deleted Footage of Supes destroying the Fortress of Solitude with them trapped inside.

 

[The Realist]

How do you all feel about Lois Lane being Superman's moral anchor in a lot of Superman media?

I think she's an important sounding board, and certainly a voice and perspective he respects and admires. Plus there's the whole love of his life thing. But Clark's own moral compass is plenty strong. And the idea that he would "go evil" as a result of Lois's death is simpleminded drivel that does a disservice to the character.

I've always thought it was a mistake to have Lois know Clark's secret and them married.

HARD disagree.

 

[Skipper]

I've always thought it was a mistake to have Lois know Clark's secret and them married.

So you are ok with Superman gaslighting and lying to the woman he claims to love and making her doubt about her sanity?

 

[Tosk]

Woah, gaslighting and lying?!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Non fell to his own death so he's the only one of the three who wasn't directly taken out by Superman or Lois, either in the theatrical cut or in Deleted Footage of Supes destroying the Fortress of Solitude with them trapped inside.

The fact that he needed to destroy the fortress before he left for the past or that he couldn't leave for the past until after Zod was dispensed with, suggests that we may be dealing with timelines after all, and the Earth he time travels away from, continues as a World without Superman... Which means in the Donner Cut, that he abandoned Lois?

 

[Guy Gardener]

So you are ok with Superman gaslighting and lying to the woman he claims to love and making her doubt about her sanity?

He tells her all the time, and then super hypnotizes her to forget.

Which is another bucket of problems.

 

[Skipper]

Woah, gaslighting and lying?!

Well, they aren't exactly synonyms

 

[Set Harth]

Almost died? He was dead. Until they brought him back to life with New Gods science.

Fun fact: Superman died twice in the Snyderverse.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

You know, when I said this:

This really is some MoS-defenders grasping at straws. Maybe try the end of Superman II for your whataboutism, that one makes more sense.

I didn't expect people to actually do that.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Isn't evil Superman just Homelander from the Boys?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Isn't evil Superman just Homelander from the Boys?

Homelander isn't evil.

He just wants to be loved.

 

[theenglish]

Homelander isn't evil.

He just wa ts to be loved.

He's a product of his genetics and his upbringing.

 

[the G-man]

So you are ok with Superman gaslighting and lying to the woman he claims to love and making her doubt about her sanity?

Yeah. It's a fantasy story about made up people dealing with an completely impossible and unrealistic situation. I suppose next you'll be telling me Superman 2 was about date rape.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah. It's a fantasy story about made up people dealing with an completely impossible and unrealistic situation. I suppose next you'll be telling me Superman 2 was about date rape.

Lois got him drunk and had her sinister way with him?

 

[Skipper]

Yeah. It's a fantasy story about made up people dealing with an completely impossible and unrealistic situation. I suppose next you'll be telling me Superman 2 was about date rape.

Of course the setting is a fantasy one, but the characters are expected to follow real-world morality and ethics. Otherwise how do readers know who the good guys and the bad guys are?