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Superman

Nature vs. nurture vs. free will and personal agency is a multi-lateral tug of war that can have a greater or lesser influence on a person's world view and sense of morality depending on any number of other external factors. It's never as simple or straight-forward as some are making it out to be. Being raised by a monster doesn't make you a monster, and many a monster had good, well adjusted parents. Indeed in the case of the former, that can often have the opposite effect. We always have a choice.

Keeping in mind for a second that we're talking about made-up stories that a crafted for entertainment, not the validity of the psychological underpinnings; Typically in most of these what if/alt timeline scenarios Clark is still at his core, the same person. Even the "Red Son" version of him had the same basic driving motivation; he wanted to do good and thought he was ultimately doing the right thing as he understood it. In the case of Justice Lord Superman, he had the same upbringing as the "normal" version, but events drove him down a certain path, and at a critical juncture he made a choice. The objective evitability of that outcome was proven when "normal" Clark was presented with a similar scenario and chose differently.
 
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Sci said:
So important and un-helpless that she managed to almost drown herself retrieving the McGuffin she herself had just thrown into the water a few moments earlier. Definitely a Powerful Character in that movie.
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Humans are susceptible to death. In other news: water, wet.
 
Reverend said:
Nature vs. nurture vs. free will and personal agency is a multi-lateral tug of war that can have a greater or lesser influence on a person's world view and sense of morality depending on any number of other external factors. It's never as simple or straight-forward as some are making it out to be. Being raised by a monster doesn't make you a monster, and many a monster had good, well adjusted parents. Indeed in the case of the former, that can often have the opposite effect. We always have a choice.

Keeping in mind for a second that we're talking about made-up stories here, that a crafted for entertainment, not the validity of the psychological underpinnings; Typically in most of these what if/alt timeline scenarios Clark is still at his core, the same person. Even the "Red Son" version of him had the same basic driving motivation; he wanted to do good and thought he was ultimately doing the right thing as he understood it. In the case of Justice Lord Superman, he had the same upbringing as the "normal" version, but events drove him down a certain path, and at a critical juncture he made a choice. The objective evitability of that outcome was proven when "normal" Clark was presented with a similar scenario and chose differently.
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The Jor-El AI trying to raise Clark is the TV series Smallville was a ####, who wanted a #### for a child.

It's almost like midflight between Krypton and Earth, the AI was re-programmed to approximate Zod more than Jor-El, for mischievous reasons.
 
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Humans are susceptible to death. In other news: water, wet.
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Long time ago, there was a comic set in the year 3000, where Clark was just bored of his girlfriends dying during childbirth. I mean when Lois exploded it was sad, but ten wives later, he just gritted down and moved on to the next frail lady.
 
I've been getting caught up on Superman and Lois--and there is a line in the series that Lois says about Clark-- "...you see the best in people, even your enemies". I think that since I've been reading comics (starting in the early Seventies), that has been a primary defining trait of Superman.
 
During season one of the Smallville Pod cast, a fan rings in and asks "What would Smallville have been like, how would Clark's progress as a person have been rated, if Smallville back then, had been a streaming show right now?"

Rosenbaum meanders on about great non episodic shows on right now, and how disappointing the freak of the week formula on Smallville is to him right now, on his first viewing of the show, and then...

Jesus Christ! Titans!

Titans! Titans! Titans!

You would think think that Rosenbaum would want to keep track of his illegitimate (hypothetical) love children?
 
Jacob Elordi Reveals Why He Turned Down James Gunn's Superman: Legacy: In an interview with GQ, the Kissing Booth star was asked about dark roles he felt were a step too far. “Well, they asked me to read for Superman,” he said. “That was immediately, ‘No, thank you.’ That’s too much. That’s too dark for me.” Elordi did not elaborate on what made the Superman role darker than some he has played, such as portraying Nate Jacobs in the HBO series Euphoria.

So...is the script going really dark or did Elordi assume it would be really dark?
 
They're really gonna give us a dark Superman? After all the endless whining about Snyder's Superman and the subsequent wholesale throwing out of that entire universe?

What the hell is going on over there?
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the G-man said:
Jacob Elordi Reveals Why He Turned Down James Gunn's Superman: Legacy: In an interview with GQ, the Kissing Booth star was asked about dark roles he felt were a step too far. “Well, they asked me to read for Superman,” he said. “That was immediately, ‘No, thank you.’ That’s too much. That’s too dark for me.” Elordi did not elaborate on what made the Superman role darker than some he has played, such as portraying Nate Jacobs in the HBO series Euphoria.

So...is the script going really dark or did Elordi assume it would be really dark?
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Probably assumed it would be dark, you'll be surprised how different people read the same material and has a different interpretation of it. I'm not sure if what Elordi read was an early draft of the script and not the final draft of the script.
 
Set Harth said:
They're really gonna give us a dark Superman? After all the endless whining about Snyder's Superman and the subsequent wholesale throwing out of that entire universe?

What the hell is going on over there?
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I really don't think one actor's weird, contextless comments are enough to declare that DC Films is doing or not doing anything in particular.
 
I highly doubt he even read any material. It was probably his agent saying “they’d like you to read for Superman” and he said no to even reading for it.
 
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