Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 2

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  1. TREK_GOD_1

    TREK_GOD_1 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    A bit too late for that, since he's been an active part of a shared comic book continuity since the 1940s. Berlanti screwing that up is just one of numerous problems with the "Arrowverse" never feeling like a coherent universe.
     
  2. Nerys Myk

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    They gave us a show starring Hoechlin and Toulloch playing Superman and Lois. Not seeing the problem or promise broken.
    The premise of the show is Clark and Lois as the parents of two teenage boys and juggling their careers with raising kids.
     
  3. Anwar

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    Well, we all thought he was Doomsday. But the last scene of S1 showed him in the Mines.
     
  4. Kai "the spy"

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    If I remember correctly, the faux-Doomsday cliffhanger was episode one of season 2. The cliffhanger for season 1 was Nat's arrival on Earth and mistaking Lois for her mother.
     
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  5. Anwar

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    Oh darn, you're right.
     
  6. Christopher

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    As I've already said repeatedly, the problem with not doing an Earth-Prime show is that the show they've done instead is not a satisfying alternative. I'd be fine with the decision if I thought the show were actually working, but it isn't. The storyline this season was dumb, the villain was lame, and the tone is far too dark and maudlin for a Superman show. At least when I thought it was still Earth-Prime, I had an incentive to be patient with the show despite its flaws because I thought it was relevant to the versions of Clark and Lois I know and like, despite its avoidance of direct connection. Now that I know I've been following a separate version of them all along, I have one less reason to forgive its flaws.

    Hoechlin and Tulloch are the only reasons I'm still interested in the show, but that's exactly why it's frustrating that we couldn't have a different, better show built around them, one I would've enjoyed watching more, one that would've served their characters better. I don't know if an Earth-Prime version would've done that for me, but I can't help wondering what I've been missing in the Earth-Prime Superman & Lois's lives while I've been stuck with this gray, maudlin alternate version.


    It's not the premise that makes something good or bad, it's how that premise is executed. I mean, when exactly in this season did we even see Clark juggling his career with raising kids? He didn't even have a career this season besides being Superman, and most of what he did as Superman was being repeatedly weakened and defeated and vanishing into an alternate universe for weeks. And Lois's career wasn't handled that well either. They claimed they'd be focusing more on Lois's journalism, but that was misleading, because her journalistic storyline turned out to be about her relationship with her sister.

    Season 1 struck a good balance with the family stuff, but this season was too obsessed with making everything dark and angsty, and it just wasn't enjoyable. The premise is the same, but the execution got worse.
     
  7. David cgc

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    I'm sorry, you just reminded me about Chrissy looking down on Clark for "only" having worked for fifteen-plus years at The Daily Planet. As an elder millennial, if anything, it's more impressive he managed to hold on to a career-track position at the paper of record rather than being bounced around from one freelance or short-term job to another every year or three. I am not bitter.
     
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  8. The Realist

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    Certainly true, though I wish it were otherwise. But as much as I enjoy the comics, I'm even more a fan of Superman in live-action adaptations. And there, blessedly, he has usually been the only superhero game in town. The serials, all the pre-BvS movies, Adventures of Superman, Superboy, Lois & Clark, S&L -- all gloriously free of any clinging DC barnacles. Just the man and his splendid core cast, the gold standard of superhero storytelling for 84 years and counting.
     
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    I don't get Chrissy's uppity attitude toward Clark "only" working at the Planet. Um, that's a prestigious paper. You don't get to work at a big city newspaper right outta J school. You gotta build your cred at smaller papers and work to the big leagues. That he got a job straight outta the gate should've floored Chrissy.

    That moment bugged the hell outta me as a former newspaper reporter.

    But then again, the journalism this season has been atrocious. The first season did a bang up job. This season... meh.
     
  10. Nerys Myk

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    Yeah, I get it. You don't like the direction of the show. It really didn't bear repeating and has little to do with "the promise" or the fact we got a show with the actors who played Lois and Clark in the Arrowverse shows.
    I've enjoyed the season. A cult story that goes cosmic was unexpected.
    I don't recall being confused by what a premise is or how execution matters. But, thanks?
    I think of being Superman as Clark's career, especially since he's currently no longer a journalist. And yeah that did impact his relationships. Even by being absent.
     
  11. DigificWriter

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    Fixed that for you.
     
  12. Christopher

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    You're reading way too much into a single throwaway word in my post. It was a figure of speech.

    And if you "got it," then you wouldn't keep mistakenly saying that my dissatisfaction is because of it not being in the Arrowverse, which is getting it completely backward. Hopefully now I've made it clearer.
     
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  13. theenglish

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    I went and looked for some reasons behind this change and found this reference to an interview with Todd Helbing:

    https://www.cbr.com/superman-and-lois-boss-how-why-show-left-arrowverse/

    So it looks like the change was made for "real world" reasons rather than plot reasons. The Arrowverse as we knew is basically ending and they wanted S&L to be a thing in its own right.
     
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  14. dupersuper

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    I'm satisfied...
     
  15. Nerys Myk

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    Nope
     
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  16. Nerys Myk

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    Didn't say that. Just that you're dissatisfied with the direction of the show.
     
  17. Ovation

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    No, not really. But thank you for playing.
     
  18. Guy Gardener

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    Brainiac destroyed Krypton and then escaped in Karas pod, that hung around in the Phantom Zone for thirty years to tow Fort Roz out...

    Maybe kara hasn't arrived yet, and they can offer the teen Kara actress a job next season?
     
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    He called it that way back at the DC Fanfest show last year.