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Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 2

I decided to put up with the sound not lining up with the picture, and actually watched last night's episode live. I'm glad Clark revealed his secret to Lana, they've known long enough that he can trust, and this episode made a pretty good case for why she deserves to know.
The stuff with John-El was pretty good.
As for other aspects of the episode, the main thing that stands out to me is, why the hell did Lana save the biggest piece of kryptonite for last? Logically, the huge chunk piercing Superman's heart should've been the first one she removed.
Yeah, I had to exact same thought.
 
Anwar's right. Anyone a superhero publicly associates with is going to be in danger of being kidnapped and tortured just on the suspicion that they might know the hero's secret identity, whether they actually do or not. So it's hypocritical to say it's about protecting the loved ones -- it's actually about protecting the hero from being exposed if their loved ones are tortured. The only way it actually makes sense is the superhero never associates with any of the same people as the civilian identity, and superhero stories are rarely constructed that way.

And that means it's better if the loved ones or close friends do know the secret, because then they can be aware that they might be under threat and can take precautions.

But in theory that is still a valid reason to protect ones secret. If someone tortured Jimmy Olsen or Lana or whoever they could find out secrets against Superman they might not know. Like maybe this bad guy doesn't know Superman can be killed with Kryptonite. Soon as they find out they can then use that new knowledge to help kill Superman. Lana right now just not only learned his identity but also his weakness.

It's not just super villians you got to worry about. Soon as people knows where he lives you have basically doxxed him. You can have reporters and fan and crazy people entering every apsect of your life at all time. Once people find out who Superman is you don't even need Superman to reveal himself to friends. Reporters can connect the dots and let the whole world know and then people start to look into Clark Kent more deeply and see who his friends are.

You also fuck the Daily Planet because with him working their your basically going to wonder just how much truth they have been covering and hiding from the public. Even with people not being killed by a Super baddie you can still really fuck over people and complicate their lives in ways that hurt them.
 
This show has such a weird airing schedule. 4 eps then a 3 week break, then 3 eps and a 2 week break, then Another 2 eps followed by a 4 week break then another 2 eps followed by another 4 week break.

I had read about covid issues, but were they starting and stopping production every few weeks or something?
 
But in theory that is still a valid reason to protect ones secret. If someone tortured Jimmy Olsen or Lana or whoever they could find out secrets against Superman they might not know. Like maybe this bad guy doesn't know Superman can be killed with Kryptonite. Soon as they find out they can then use that new knowledge to help kill Superman. Lana right now just not only learned his identity but also his weakness.

It's not just super villians you got to worry about. Soon as people knows where he lives you have basically doxxed him. You can have reporters and fan and crazy people entering every apsect of your life at all time. Once people find out who Superman is you don't even need Superman to reveal himself to friends. Reporters can connect the dots and let the whole world know and then people start to look into Clark Kent more deeply and see who his friends are.

You also fuck the Daily Planet because with him working their your basically going to wonder just how much truth they have been covering and hiding from the public. Even with people not being killed by a Super baddie you can still really fuck over people and complicate their lives in ways that hurt them.

And if any of those reasons were ever used to justify the secret identity, it would be different and show there's more thought put into why some Superheroes maintain the secret.

We're criticizing that worthless explanation of "It's to protect them!" when that really does nothing to protect them.
 
I think it depends on who you are telling. If someone has super powers then than can handle any danger that comes their way. You need to tell someone you are about to get married to because people need to know what they are getting into if they are going to have a relationship with you.

Telling civilian best friends though seems to come with problems and the more people you tell the more people you put in danger. Even Superman can't be everywhere at once and we have seen Superman deal with this kind of issue the past 2 seasons where he is fighting a bad guy but his family is in danger at the same time elsewhere. If it wasn't for Irons it's likely at least one of his sons might have already been killed in part because he told them the truth.

Does it really matter. Lana is just as likely to be held captive/attacked/tied up whether she knows Clarks secret or not (see tonight's episode). That's in general for ALL Secret Identited Superheroes unsuspecting friends. I don't know, it always seems they get in to hot water before the cashier at the supermarket. At least knowing means you know who call for help.
 
Does it really matter. Lana is just as likely to be held captive/attacked/tied up whether she knows Clarks secret or not (see tonight's episode). That's in general for ALL Secret Identited Superheroes unsuspecting friends. I don't know, it always seems they get in to hot water before the cashier at the supermarket. At least knowing means you know who call for help.

I think one difference is that if she is ever captured again she could be forced to tell someone you can kill him with kryptonite. Which leads to Superman being killed which is bad in itself but with Superman gone then that same person then takes over the world.

Granted you would hope in such a situation that Supergirl or The Flash could save it instead but this show seems to exist in a world were those characters don't exist or are to busy doing other things all the time.
 
This show has such a weird airing schedule. 4 eps then a 3 week break, then 3 eps and a 2 week break, then Another 2 eps followed by a 4 week break then another 2 eps followed by another 4 week break.

I had read about covid issues, but were they starting and stopping production every few weeks or something?

They should've just started the season later.
 
This show has such a weird airing schedule. 4 eps then a 3 week break, then 3 eps and a 2 week break, then Another 2 eps followed by a 4 week break then another 2 eps followed by another 4 week break.

I had read about covid issues, but were they starting and stopping production every few weeks or something?

It's not just this show -- other CW shows have had their breaks in the same weeks. I think they're scheduling around holidays or something like that.

But it's always been rare for any commercial network to run its season straight through without breaks, at least since the '80s when the typical season length settled in at no more than 26 episodes spread out over 39 weeks.
 
How can a network show EVER retain viewers if 1, it's aired sporadically, an episode one week, two weeks off, another new episode , one week off and 2, it's lead-in is following the same pattern, only alternate weeks. The fans don't know when to watch. So, don't blame the show, don't blame the viewers, blame the network programmers.
 
How can a network show EVER retain viewers if 1, it's aired sporadically, an episode one week, two weeks off, another new episode , one week off and 2, it's lead-in is following the same pattern, only alternate weeks. The fans don't know when to watch.

As I said, it's been a common enough practice for decades to have multiple breaks in a season, and it hasn't precluded shows from surviving. And there have always been schedule listings available to allow people to know when upcoming episodes are airing. There used to be TV Guide and TV schedules printed in newspapers; these days we have schedule info easily available from network websites, Zap2It, and other sources. Plus, of course, commercial networks show promos of upcoming episodes during commercial breaks, and episode trailers are posted online as well. There are many ways to find out in advance about new episodes if you just pay attention.
 
As I said, it's been a common enough practice for decades to have multiple breaks in a season, and it hasn't precluded shows from surviving. And there have always been schedule listings available to allow people to know when upcoming episodes are airing. There used to be TV Guide and TV schedules printed in newspapers; these days we have schedule info easily available from network websites, Zap2It, and other sources. Plus, of course, commercial networks show promos of upcoming episodes during commercial breaks, and episode trailers are posted online as well. There are many ways to find out in advance about new episodes if you just pay attention.

And each year since they started working like this, viewership has went down and down and down.
(Unfortunately) Especially now when some shows have seasons dumped at the same time, spreading out (with non-uniformed breaks) does not satisfy the regular viewer.
And if you don't watch other shows on the same network, how are you supposed to see the promos?
 
How can a network show EVER retain viewers if 1, it's aired sporadically, an episode one week, two weeks off, another new episode , one week off and 2, it's lead-in is following the same pattern, only alternate weeks. The fans don't know when to watch. So, don't blame the show, don't blame the viewers, blame the network programmers.

Moonlighting complained about that to the audience.

Which was funny. :)
 
How can a network show EVER retain viewers if 1, it's aired sporadically, an episode one week, two weeks off, another new episode , one week off and 2, it's lead-in is following the same pattern, only alternate weeks. The fans don't know when to watch. So, don't blame the show, don't blame the viewers, blame the network programmers.
Welcome to Lost season 1. I distinctly remember they aired 9 episodes, took 1 week off, aired 2 more, then took 3 weeks off, then aired 3 then took 2 more weeks off, etc. It was MADDENING in a heavily serialized show like Lost.
 
But in theory that is still a valid reason to protect ones secret. If someone tortured Jimmy Olsen or Lana or whoever they could find out secrets against Superman they might not know. Like maybe this bad guy doesn't know Superman can be killed with Kryptonite. Soon as they find out they can then use that new knowledge to help kill Superman. Lana right now just not only learned his identity but also his weakness.

...which makes Lana an unnecessary liability not only to SM, but to his family. Again, there's no point in the hero revealing his identity to civilians, just as its dangerous for villains to learn those secrets. As it stands, Alt-Jonathan kidnapped Lana not because he happened to see her run into Clark on the street, but it was due to his knowing Alt-Lana's relationship to his own father, and simply used that information to exploit / lure SM into a trap.

Some of comic books' greatest stories involved the danger and sometimes lethal consequences of others knowing the hero's true identity, ever proving the point that being a superhero is not some club for the needy to feel they must know everything about another person (when its not their business). Further, the notion that the civilians can "prepare" for the dangers in the hero's life is patently absurd and incredibly unrealistic. They are regular people living regular lives. They are not on call / high alert in their lives and no rational mind would expect them to be. Moreover, they are not even on the level of non-super-powered fighters such as Dick Grayson or the Punisher--meaning they have no way to "prepare" for high level and/or super-powered threats.

There's absolutely nothing a civilian can do if for example Darkseid, the Green Goblin, Doctor Doom, Mister Freeze, the Mandarin or anyone else comes a-callin' for said civilian, which the comics have proven in the most tragically memorable ways.

It's not just super villians you got to worry about. Soon as people knows where he lives you have basically doxxed him. You can have reporters and fan and crazy people entering every apsect of your life at all time. Once people find out who Superman is you don't even need Superman to reveal himself to friends. Reporters can connect the dots and let the whole world know and then people start to look into Clark Kent more deeply and see who his friends are.

You also fuck the Daily Planet because with him working their your basically going to wonder just how much truth they have been covering and hiding from the public. Even with people not being killed by a Super baddie you can still really fuck over people and complicate their lives in ways that hurt them.

Well observed. Real human being seem to know that there is a natural reason for separating parts of their lives (particularly if there's an element of risk involved) from the people they know in their private life, as there is always someone ready to exploit that knowledge, and for the superhero, his life is so dangerous--always threatened by the most relentless of foes--that they would not hesitate to harm someone known to be in his private life...which is exactly what happened to Lana in this latest episode of Superman and Lois.

Clark was badgered by his kids into giving in to their inexperienced "wisdom" and exposing himself to another. If competent writers were handling a plot of this kind, there would most certainly be a price to be paid for Clark being so thoughtless, and adding a new layer of danger to his family.
 
How can a network show EVER retain viewers if 1, it's aired sporadically, an episode one week, two weeks off, another new episode , one week off and 2, it's lead-in is following the same pattern, only alternate weeks. The fans don't know when to watch. So, don't blame the show, don't blame the viewers, blame the network programmers.

CBS did this with the final season of The Unit and there were no pandemic delays back then. It felt like they were deliberately torpedoing the show and yup, then it gets canceled.
 
This show has such a weird airing schedule. 4 eps then a 3 week break, then 3 eps and a 2 week break, then Another 2 eps followed by a 4 week break then another 2 eps followed by another 4 week break.

I had read about covid issues, but were they starting and stopping production every few weeks or something?
Pretty sure it's connected to Covid. Episodes are taking longer to shoot, but they don't want to delay airing until more than a few are ready.
 
As Christopher outlined, this scheduling pattern-while not new, does carry a more, aggravating, direct impact to The CW.
UPN, The WB and now The CW, have affiliate stations that carry syndicated sports programming smack dab in the middle of the season. So out of necessity, they tap dance around those sports telecasts as best they can because if a first run episode doesn't air in it's regular time period (many stations would either air the episode delayed after the game, or run it on the weekends), the ratings for that ep in your city would not count in the show's national average.That hit could lower the show's performance for the over all season.

It's frustrating but for genre shows it was something I got used to and watched out for. I remember the ''fun'' of watching USA Network's ''La Femme Nikita''...after a long hiatus that began at summer's end, they'd return in January with 4 brand new epsiodes only to then immediately rerun them to avoid the broadcast network's February sweeps bonanza. And then start up again in March, only to go into repeats in early April, and come back June (side stepping May sweeps). Those were the days...:shrug:
 
UPN, The WB and now The CW, have affiliate stations that carry syndicated sports programming smack dab in the middle of the season. So out of necessity, they tap dance around those sports telecasts as best they can because if a first run episode doesn't air in it's regular time period (many stations would either air the episode delayed after the game, or run it on the weekends), the ratings for that ep in your city would not count in the show's national average.That hit could lower the show's performance for the over all season.

Oh, it didn't occur to me that it could be sports pre-emptions. I thought those were pretty much a thing of the past now that there are whole cable networks and pay-per-view channels dedicated to sports, but I guess they're still around.

Yeah, it was really frustrating how often shows back in the day were pre-empted for weeks by network sports coverage. The most frustrating thing was that the World Series (I think it was) would generally start just a few weeks after the fall TV season, so a show would be on for 3-4 episodes and then get pre-empted for weeks, making it hard for a new show to build momentum.
 
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