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News Superman & Lois Ordered to Series at The CW

TheMadCloner said:
^ Theoretically there is room for interpretation. None of the heroes on Earth prime know about the continued existence of parallel Earths in this new reality. They still think Oliver put them all on one Earth.
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At the moment, sure, but I don't think they plan to keep that up forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they rediscovered the Multiverse by the end of the season (however delayed that might turn out to be), even if it remains difficult to access.

I mean, given that Stargirl is being promoted more as a CW show than a DC Universe show, I'd be surprised if they didn't cross it over with the Arrowverse eventually. And it seems to me there must be a reason why they chose to designate its universe as Earth-2, despite there already being a previous one, rather than some other random number. It implies they intend it to be the primary "other" universe, which suggests they plan to do crossovers.

If so, it's kind of interesting. Look where we're going now: We have Earth-Prime with what's essentially the Justice League (though they haven't used the name yet), and now we'll have an Earth-2 with the Justice Society, and if I'm right, the two may have periodic crossovers. Which would mean that the post-Crisis Arrowverse would end up recreating the status quo of the pre-Crisis comics -- the very status quo that Crisis was created to undo! How ironic that would be.
 
Christopher said:
At the moment, sure, but I don't think they plan to keep that up forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they rediscovered the Multiverse by the end of the season (however delayed that might turn out to be), even if it remains difficult to access.

I mean, given that Stargirl is being promoted more as a CW show than a DC Universe show, I'd be surprised if they didn't cross it over with the Arrowverse eventually. And it seems to me there must be a reason why they chose to designate its universe as Earth-2, despite there already being a previous one, rather than some other random number. It implies they intend it to be the primary "other" universe, which suggests they plan to do crossovers.

If so, it's kind of interesting. Look where we're going now: We have Earth-Prime with what's essentially the Justice League (though they haven't used the name yet), and now we'll have an Earth-2 with the Justice Society, and if I'm right, the two may have periodic crossovers. Which would mean that the post-Crisis Arrowverse would end up recreating the status quo of the pre-Crisis comics -- the very status quo that Crisis was created to undo! How ironic that would be.
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Not going to disagree with any of that. My point was that theoretically dopplegangers are still possible. It's just that the heroes don't realize that right now, because from their perspective their universe is the only one that exists, and so any "duplicate" is doomed to fade out of existence by principle.
 
TheMadCloner said:
My point was that theoretically dopplegangers are still possible. It's just that the heroes don't realize that right now, because from their perspective their universe is the only one that exists, and so any "duplicate" is doomed to fade out of existence by principle.
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Yes, but "right now" is my point. We're talking about the rumor of Lex being recast for the Superman show, right? Well, that show won't come along until at least the fall. What I'm saying is that the characters may have already rediscovered the existence of the multiverse by then. I don't expect the secret to be kept forever. It's the sort of thing that might well be revealed in the season finale. After all, it's a lingering thread from Crisis, so it stands to reason that it would be resolved in the same season as Crisis.

As far as doppelgangers coexisting on the same Earth, for one thing, the duplicates don't "fade out," they die. For another, we've only seen it happen to an identical doppelganger. I imagine that if it were a non-lookalike doppelganger of the sort we saw in Crisis, the genetic difference would be sufficient to prevent the "rejection" of the duplicate.
 
Christopher said:
Yes, but "right now" is my point. We're talking about the rumor of Lex being recast for the Superman show, right? Well, that show won't come along until at least the fall. What I'm saying is that the characters may have already rediscovered the existence of the multiverse by then. I don't expect the secret to be kept forever. It's the sort of thing that might well be revealed in the season finale. After all, it's a lingering thread from Crisis, so it stands to reason that it would be resolved in the same season as Crisis.

As far as doppelgangers coexisting on the same Earth, for one thing, the duplicates don't "fade out," they die. For another, we've only seen it happen to an identical doppelganger. I imagine that if it were a non-lookalike doppelganger of the sort we saw in Crisis, the genetic difference would be sufficient to prevent the "rejection" of the duplicate.
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We agree, I don't know what we're arguing about? lol. My comments were meant to argue for the existence of dopplegangers, not against it.
 
Christopher said:
I'm wondering if there's some prominent Superman/girl-centric event in DC Comics that could be the basis for a future crossover, centering on the Supercousins and bringing in Flash, Batwoman, White Canary, etc. in supporting roles. There was that New Krypton thing a few years ago, but that's kind of similar to what Supergirl did in its first couple of seasons.
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There's the recent return of Jor-El and Rogol Zaar story from Bendis. A full on Brainiac story would also work. Anything related to Kryptonian mythology would be something that would crossover in the two series.

As for the multiverse, I would really like the CW shows to keep it simple and allow the discovery of a limited number of universes rather than the multitude that apparently exist. It would be cool to have an annual Justice League/Society style crossover going forward for example.
 
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Christopher said:
But that's the problem -- Supergirl's first three seasons were all about Krypton-related threats, so that well has been drawn from too much already.
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I'd kill for that over what we have in S5 right now, lol. There's still quite a bit of Supergirl comic backstory they haven't used yet.
 
Didn't know where else to post this, but Guggenheim is like if any one of us were put in charge of the Arrowverse, haha. He's just a really big fan of superheroes at heart. Listening to him in his recent interviews the last few days is quite interesting.
 
The Realist said:
No strong opinion on this casting (other than I wish they would/could have just kept Morshower), but I note that the original Deadline report on the casting mentions a "13-episode order" for the show, which is the first I've heard of that. Hoping it's just an initial 13 episodes with the option for a full-season pickup, and not an abbreviated season like Legends of Tomorrow and Black Lightning get.
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If the show was different enough from the other series and as powerfully written as Black Lightning, I'd be content with a shorter season.
 
I think I'm actually starting to prefer shorter season, especially with these shows being so arc heavy.
I wonder if the Dylan Walsh version of Sam Lane will be the same as Glenn Morshower's or a new Post-Crisis version?
 
JD said:
I think I'm actually starting to prefer shorter season, especially with these shows being so arc heavy.
I wonder if the Dylan Walsh version of Sam Lane will be the same as Glenn Morshower's or a new Post-Crisis version?
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Everything is leaning towards Post-Crisis. The fact that Clark has TWO kids (remember how surprised he was at the end of the episode when Lois said the kids), the fact that they're both older than they should be, the rumour that Lex is being recasted...

My personal theory is that Lex won't even be called Lex in this series. The Lex that we know as Lex is the "good guy" in Supergirl/Superman's universe now. There is probably another person who has taken his position Post-Crisis.
 
TheMadCloner said:
My personal theory is that Lex won't even be called Lex in this series. The Lex that we know as Lex is the "good guy" in Supergirl/Superman's universe now. There is probably another person who has taken his position Post-Crisis.
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That doesn't make sense, because Lex Luthor has never been Superman's exclusive antagonist. If they need another villain, they'll just use one of the other villains. We've already heard that they're recasting Morgan Edge as well. Edge would be a good choice for a main antagonist, much as Maxwell Lord served as a Luthor surrogate for Supergirl in her first season.

For that matter, there's plenty of precedent for Luthor being seen as a good guy by the public while still being Superman's archenemy. That was the status quo in the post-Crisis comics continuity started by John Byrne, in the first season of Lois & Clark, in Superman: The Animated Series, etc. So Lex being seen by the world as a heroic figure does not in any way preclude him from being Superman's antagonist.
 
Christopher said:
That doesn't make sense, because Lex Luthor has never been Superman's exclusive antagonist. If they need another villain, they'll just use one of the other villains. We've already heard that they're recasting Morgan Edge as well. Edge would be a good choice for a main antagonist, much as Maxwell Lord served as a Luthor surrogate for Supergirl in her first season.

For that matter, there's plenty of precedent for Luthor being seen as a good guy by the public while still being Superman's archenemy. That was the status quo in the post-Crisis comics continuity started by John Byrne, in the first season of Lois & Clark, in Superman: The Animated Series, etc. So Lex being seen by the world as a heroic figure does not in any way preclude him from being Superman's antagonist.
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Oh, Lex is still evil, it's just that he's Supergirl's villain, and only Supergirl's crew (and Superman, but he's preoccupied with other people) know that Lex is evil.

In this timeline/universe, someone else did all the evil things attributed to Lex in the old timeline. Could it be Edge or Lord? Sure.
 
TheMadCloner said:
Oh, Lex is still evil, it's just that he's Supergirl's villain
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Malcolm Merlyn and Damien Darhk were Arrow villains, but then they migrated to Legends of Tomorrow, along with Flash villain Eobard Thawne. These things are not fixed. After all, these shows tend to bring in a different main villain every season anyway. So probably Lex's current status on Supergirl will be resolved by the end of the season, freeing him up for a move to Superman & Lois if that's what they want to do.


and only Supergirl's crew (and Superman, but he's preoccupied with other people) know that Lex is evil.
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Which, again, is consistent with the usual post-Crisis role of Luthor, and indeed with his role in the Arrowverse before Superman exposed him. He doesn't have to be a publicly known villain in order to be Superman's nemesis. So I don't know why you think this matters.


In this timeline/universe, someone else did all the evil things attributed to Lex in the old timeline. Could it be Edge or Lord? Sure.
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Or he didn't do them at all in this timeline, or he did them and was never caught. I was never suggesting that another villain could duplicate Lex's role, merely pointing out that Lex Luthor is not the only possible villain in a Superman story, and thus there's no reason to "substitute" anyone for him, any more than the Penguin or Poison Ivy is a substitute for the Joker. They're just different villains.
 
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