Well, Superman's killed Zod dead, with premeditation and along with two other Kryptonians, in the DC comics. During the Byrne era. So, that's canon.
Zod dies due to his own malevolence, not by Superman's actions IIRC.
Well, Superman's killed Zod dead, with premeditation and along with two other Kryptonians, in the DC comics. During the Byrne era. So, that's canon.
Yeah, I think there are extreme circumstances where I could see him killing, but it would have to be an situation where there is absolutely no other way to resolve the situation.
With Man of Steel, it just felt like the situation he was in when he killed Zod was no where near extreme enough. It seemed to me that there had to have been other ways he could dealt with Zod other than killing him.
Maybe he actually screamed 'cause he suddenly realized that he didn't try anything else, like flying him away or turning his head away from the people, or jamming his hands over Zod's eyes, or...anything.
Not to say any of those would have worked, but you don't know if you don't try.
Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.I want all Superman's to feel like they are made form the same cloth as Christopher Reeve's Superman. Still today the most pitch perfect version of Supes.
Jason
Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.
The simplest solution would have been to just send Zod back to the Phantom Zone, or they could have introduced a method to depower him.Eh? Zod's xenophobic plan would've destroyed humankind, and as a tyrant, there was no negotiating with him, or putting him jail like some 1920s masked robber type. So, how would you resolve that situation? Zod had to die, which is why Snyder's Superman was the most rational and realistic version ever filmed. The winking, "I'll carry you off to the pokey, evildoer!" routine is nonsensical, and certainly not as Superman was handled in the first few years of his published life.
Ironically enough, and despite the wholesale silliness in Superman II, the Reeve version also reached the same conclusion when he tossed his Zod to his death. You cannot negotiate your way out of every situation.
Zero problem with the trucker scene, BTW. The guy is plainly presented as an inveterate bully, terrorizing everybody in that diner on a regular basis. In the context of the film, Clark clearly doesn't permanently injure him, just gives him something to think about the next time he looks to victimize someone weaker.Good thing you didn't bring up the part of him beating up the trucker at the end. So you see it only looks like they were killed. Supes knows that even without powers they can survive their assumed deaths. we never see the corpses after their "deaths" thus they survived. We just didn't see them again anymore.
Why bring up said trucker as he wasn't killed. ALL versions of Superman have put someone in the hospital at some point.Good thing you didn't bring up the part of him beating up the trucker at the end. So you see it only looks like they were killed. Supes knows that even without powers they can survive their assumed deaths. we never see the corpses after their "deaths" thus they survived. We just didn't see them again anymore.
Jason
Ironically enough, and despite the wholesale silliness in Superman II, the Reeve version also reached the same conclusion when he tossed his Zod to his death. You cannot negotiate your way out of every situation.
Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.
No. That the villains were killed was a reasonable conclusion for us to draw the first time around, during the original theatrical release. The deleted scenes weren't even on our radar (except for the odd publicity still), because they'd been... wait for it... deleted. The villains' cries sounded close enough to people falling into bottomless pits to make the conclusion that that was what was happening reasonable enough. If there's any revisionism here, it's in the reassessing of the action in light of the deleted scenes.False. But it's become the standard revisionist claim, so knock yourself out. You'll get plenty of disingenuous, tone-deaf, and/or bloodthirsty backup.
For the record, the S symbol was another scene. Non tries to fly off a ledge, but he's lost his powers, and he simply falls in. But, otherwise, basically, yeppers.Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.
It's funny you should bring up the Road Runner cartoons. Yes, it is like that. But were he not a cartoon character, the falls would certainly kill the Coyote. Drawing the comparison with the Coyote only underscores the reasonableness of the interpretation that the falls ought to have been lethal.The film at that point has more in common with a Road Runner cartoon than it does with Zack Snyder's murderverse
The simplest solution would have been to just send Zod back to the Phantom Zone, or they could have introduced a method to depower him.
No. That the villains were killed was a reasonable conclusion for us to draw the first time around, during the original theatrical release. The deleted scenes weren't even on our radar (except for the odd publicity still), because they'd been... wait for it... deleted. The villains' cries sounded close enough to people falling into bottomless pits to make the conclusion that that was what was happening reasonable enough. If there's any revisionism here, it's in the reassessing of the action in light of the deleted scenes.
Why would Superman take the time to attempt to "depower" a raging tyrant who was absolutely relentless? There's no sense in trying to do anything (Phantom Zone included) other than end the threat as soon as possible, that meant killing Zod.
Exactly. Anyone referencing a cut scene is desperately trying to rewrite the intentions seen in the final cut, which was Superman sending Zod to his death, not to some lower level just off camera, in a magical ledge, or anything else. Zod being killed by Superman was the point, which provided a satisfactory end to villains who had caused so much terror. Anything less would have robbed the film of the payoff such a story needs. The theatrical version was what audiences were meant to see.
We use essential cookies to make this site work, and optional cookies to enhance your experience.