News Superman & Lois Ordered to Series at The CW

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  1. theenglish

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    Zod dies due to his own malevolence, not by Superman's actions IIRC.
     
  2. theenglish

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    I agree with this completely. One way that could have produced the same result would have been Superman accidentally snapping Zod's neck in his attempt to turn his heat vision away from the bystanders.
     
  3. USS Firefly

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    I have no problem with how Superman killed Zod in "Man of steel", especially when you saw how much pain he had after he did It.
     
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  4. Tosk

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    Maybe he actually screamed 'cause he suddenly realized that he didn't try anything else, like flying him away or turning his head away from the people, or jamming his hands over Zod's eyes, or...anything. :)

    Not to say any of those would have worked, but you don't know if you don't try.
     
  5. Guy Gardener

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    I doubt that MoS Superman can travel though time (by himself)... Although? Barry Allen can, and they have comparable speeds, even if Clark has no access to the Speedforce.

    Could Superman kill someone, regret the murder, and then travel back in time to resolve the situation less lethally?
     
  6. Jayson1

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    In my head canon Janeway went on the holodeck to watch that scene were Supes kills Zod and releases a orgasmic yell of joy afterwards to pump herself up for her Tuxix kill. Jason
     
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    Those are good points, but it was only his first day on the job.
    And he would have tried It if we were the directors (well me director you assistent :) ).
     
  8. The Realist

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  9. Noname Given

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    Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.
     
  10. The Realist

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    False. But it's become the standard revisionist claim, so knock yourself out. You'll get plenty of disingenuous, tone-deaf, and/or bloodthirsty backup.
     
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  11. Jayson1

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    Good thing you didn't bring up the part of him beating up the trucker at the end. So you see it only looks like they were killed. Supes knows that even without powers they can survive their assumed deaths. we never see the corpses after their "deaths" thus they survived. We just didn't see them again anymore.


    Jason
     
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  12. JD

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    The simplest solution would have been to just send Zod back to the Phantom Zone, or they could have introduced a method to depower him.

    As for the scene where Clark kills him, like someone else already said, he could have grabbed him and flow away, covered his eyes, turned his head, found something to block the beams or grabbed the family and sped away with them.
     
  13. The Realist

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    Zero problem with the trucker scene, BTW. The guy is plainly presented as an inveterate bully, terrorizing everybody in that diner on a regular basis. In the context of the film, Clark clearly doesn't permanently injure him, just gives him something to think about the next time he looks to victimize someone weaker.
     
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  14. Noname Given

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    Why bring up said trucker as he wasn't killed. ALL versions of Superman have put someone in the hospital at some point. ;)
     
  15. dupersuper

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    He didn't kill them. There's a deleted scene often included in TV airings that show them being carted off by the police. Defenders of the Man of Steel neck snap are depressing enough, but people whose idea of Superman is some one who'd smirk while murdering a powerless opponent truly and deeply baffle me.
     
  16. The Realist

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    Honestly, you don't even need recourse to the deleted scene. Everything you need to know is in the tone of the scene as presented in the film. It's a moment of comedic victory, played almost as slapstick. The film at that point has more in common with a Road Runner cartoon than it does with Zack Snyder's murderverse, and Zod and company are as impervious to real harm as Wile E. Coyote is when yet another Acme bomb goes off in his face.
     
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    No. That the villains were killed was a reasonable conclusion for us to draw the first time around, during the original theatrical release. The deleted scenes weren't even on our radar (except for the odd publicity still), because they'd been... wait for it... deleted. The villains' cries sounded close enough to people falling into bottomless pits to make the conclusion that that was what was happening reasonable enough. If there's any revisionism here, it's in the reassessing of the action in light of the deleted scenes.

    For the record, the S symbol was another scene. Non tries to fly off a ledge, but he's lost his powers, and he simply falls in. But, otherwise, basically, yeppers.

    It's funny you should bring up the Road Runner cartoons. Yes, it is like that. But were he not a cartoon character, the falls would certainly kill the Coyote. Drawing the comparison with the Coyote only underscores the reasonableness of the interpretation that the falls ought to have been lethal.
     
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  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    Why would Superman take the time to attempt to "depower" a raging tyrant who was absolutely relentless? There's no sense in trying to do anything (Phantom Zone included) other than end the threat as soon as possible, that meant killing Zod.



    Exactly. Anyone referencing a cut scene is desperately trying to rewrite the intentions seen in the final cut, which was Superman sending Zod to his death, not to some lower level just off camera, in a magical ledge, or anything else. Zod being killed by Superman was the point, which provided a satisfactory end to villains who had caused so much terror. Anything less would have robbed the film of the payoff such a story needs. The theatrical version was what audiences were meant to see.
     
  19. dupersuper

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    I just really can't see why you'd like Superman...
     
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  20. TREK_GOD_1

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    I can't see why you would, since you--contrary to Superman II's intended theatrical release, insist on pushing cut scenes in order to justify a false belief about the character, who has not only killed in comics of more recent times, but gleefully did so in his early years. He's not Santa Claus, nor was he created to be that.