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Yeah, I think there are extreme circumstances where I could see him killing, but it would have to be an situation where there is absolutely no other way to resolve the situation.
With Man of Steel, it just felt like the situation he was in when he killed Zod was no where near extreme enough. It seemed to me that there had to have been other ways he could dealt with Zod other than killing him.

I agree with this completely. One way that could have produced the same result would have been Superman accidentally snapping Zod's neck in his attempt to turn his heat vision away from the bystanders.
 
Maybe he actually screamed 'cause he suddenly realized that he didn't try anything else, like flying him away or turning his head away from the people, or jamming his hands over Zod's eyes, or...anything. :)

Not to say any of those would have worked, but you don't know if you don't try.
 
I doubt that MoS Superman can travel though time (by himself)... Although? Barry Allen can, and they have comparable speeds, even if Clark has no access to the Speedforce.

Could Superman kill someone, regret the murder, and then travel back in time to resolve the situation less lethally?
 
In my head canon Janeway went on the holodeck to watch that scene were Supes kills Zod and releases a orgasmic yell of joy afterwards to pump herself up for her Tuxix kill. Jason
 
Maybe he actually screamed 'cause he suddenly realized that he didn't try anything else, like flying him away or turning his head away from the people, or jamming his hands over Zod's eyes, or...anything. :)

Not to say any of those would have worked, but you don't know if you don't try.

Those are good points, but it was only his first day on the job.
And he would have tried It if we were the directors (well me director you assistent :) ).
 
I want all Superman's to feel like they are made form the same cloth as Christopher Reeve's Superman. Still today the most pitch perfect version of Supes.


Jason
Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.
 
False. But it's become the standard revisionist claim, so knock yourself out. You'll get plenty of disingenuous, tone-deaf, and/or bloodthirsty backup.
 
Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.

Good thing you didn't bring up the part of him beating up the trucker at the end. So you see it only looks like they were killed. Supes knows that even without powers they can survive their assumed deaths. we never see the corpses after their "deaths" thus they survived. We just didn't see them again anymore.


Jason
 
Eh? Zod's xenophobic plan would've destroyed humankind, and as a tyrant, there was no negotiating with him, or putting him jail like some 1920s masked robber type. So, how would you resolve that situation? Zod had to die, which is why Snyder's Superman was the most rational and realistic version ever filmed. The winking, "I'll carry you off to the pokey, evildoer!" routine is nonsensical, and certainly not as Superman was handled in the first few years of his published life.

Ironically enough, and despite the wholesale silliness in Superman II, the Reeve version also reached the same conclusion when he tossed his Zod to his death. You cannot negotiate your way out of every situation.
The simplest solution would have been to just send Zod back to the Phantom Zone, or they could have introduced a method to depower him.

As for the scene where Clark kills him, like someone else already said, he could have grabbed him and flow away, covered his eyes, turned his head, found something to block the beams or grabbed the family and sped away with them.
 
Good thing you didn't bring up the part of him beating up the trucker at the end. So you see it only looks like they were killed. Supes knows that even without powers they can survive their assumed deaths. we never see the corpses after their "deaths" thus they survived. We just didn't see them again anymore.
Zero problem with the trucker scene, BTW. The guy is plainly presented as an inveterate bully, terrorizing everybody in that diner on a regular basis. In the context of the film, Clark clearly doesn't permanently injure him, just gives him something to think about the next time he looks to victimize someone weaker.
 
Good thing you didn't bring up the part of him beating up the trucker at the end. So you see it only looks like they were killed. Supes knows that even without powers they can survive their assumed deaths. we never see the corpses after their "deaths" thus they survived. We just didn't see them again anymore.


Jason
Why bring up said trucker as he wasn't killed. ALL versions of Superman have put someone in the hospital at some point. ;)
 
Ironically enough, and despite the wholesale silliness in Superman II, the Reeve version also reached the same conclusion when he tossed his Zod to his death. You cannot negotiate your way out of every situation.

Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.

He didn't kill them. There's a deleted scene often included in TV airings that show them being carted off by the police. Defenders of the Man of Steel neck snap are depressing enough, but people whose idea of Superman is some one who'd smirk while murdering a powerless opponent truly and deeply baffle me.
 
Honestly, you don't even need recourse to the deleted scene. Everything you need to know is in the tone of the scene as presented in the film. It's a moment of comedic victory, played almost as slapstick. The film at that point has more in common with a Road Runner cartoon than it does with Zack Snyder's murderverse, and Zod and company are as impervious to real harm as Wile E. Coyote is when yet another Acme bomb goes off in his face.
 
False. But it's become the standard revisionist claim, so knock yourself out. You'll get plenty of disingenuous, tone-deaf, and/or bloodthirsty backup.
No. That the villains were killed was a reasonable conclusion for us to draw the first time around, during the original theatrical release. The deleted scenes weren't even on our radar (except for the odd publicity still), because they'd been... wait for it... deleted. The villains' cries sounded close enough to people falling into bottomless pits to make the conclusion that that was what was happening reasonable enough. If there's any revisionism here, it's in the reassessing of the action in light of the deleted scenes.

Who killed Zod after crushing his hand, and killed another Kryptonian with a psychic projected Superman symbol; and watched his girlfriend Lois Lane punch a third Kryptonian which caused her to fall to her death... Got it.
For the record, the S symbol was another scene. Non tries to fly off a ledge, but he's lost his powers, and he simply falls in. But, otherwise, basically, yeppers.

The film at that point has more in common with a Road Runner cartoon than it does with Zack Snyder's murderverse
It's funny you should bring up the Road Runner cartoons. Yes, it is like that. But were he not a cartoon character, the falls would certainly kill the Coyote. Drawing the comparison with the Coyote only underscores the reasonableness of the interpretation that the falls ought to have been lethal.
 
The simplest solution would have been to just send Zod back to the Phantom Zone, or they could have introduced a method to depower him.

Why would Superman take the time to attempt to "depower" a raging tyrant who was absolutely relentless? There's no sense in trying to do anything (Phantom Zone included) other than end the threat as soon as possible, that meant killing Zod.



No. That the villains were killed was a reasonable conclusion for us to draw the first time around, during the original theatrical release. The deleted scenes weren't even on our radar (except for the odd publicity still), because they'd been... wait for it... deleted. The villains' cries sounded close enough to people falling into bottomless pits to make the conclusion that that was what was happening reasonable enough. If there's any revisionism here, it's in the reassessing of the action in light of the deleted scenes.

Exactly. Anyone referencing a cut scene is desperately trying to rewrite the intentions seen in the final cut, which was Superman sending Zod to his death, not to some lower level just off camera, in a magical ledge, or anything else. Zod being killed by Superman was the point, which provided a satisfactory end to villains who had caused so much terror. Anything less would have robbed the film of the payoff such a story needs. The theatrical version was what audiences were meant to see.
 
Why would Superman take the time to attempt to "depower" a raging tyrant who was absolutely relentless? There's no sense in trying to do anything (Phantom Zone included) other than end the threat as soon as possible, that meant killing Zod.

Exactly. Anyone referencing a cut scene is desperately trying to rewrite the intentions seen in the final cut, which was Superman sending Zod to his death, not to some lower level just off camera, in a magical ledge, or anything else. Zod being killed by Superman was the point, which provided a satisfactory end to villains who had caused so much terror. Anything less would have robbed the film of the payoff such a story needs. The theatrical version was what audiences were meant to see.

I just really can't see why you'd like Superman...
 
I can't see why you would, since you--contrary to Superman II's intended theatrical release, insist on pushing cut scenes in order to justify a false belief about the character, who has not only killed in comics of more recent times, but gleefully did so in his early years. He's not Santa Claus, nor was he created to be that.
 
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