Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

[the G-man]

^ I remember overhearing someone saying that "'im 'rry" is playing the Riddler in the new Batman film' and thinking that at last Tim was getting his big break! Of course, it was Jim Carrey, not Tim Curry - though I wasn't too disappointed in that choice either.

Kind of a similar thing happened to me with the first film. Someone overheard me talking about the casting of Michael Keaton and said "he'll make a great Joker."

I always thought that Ray Liotta (Goodfellas) would have made a great Joker.

The 1989 film's Screenwriter Sam Hamm actually said the same thing. I think Liotta might have actually been in the short list, along with Curry, of guys to be considerd if Nicholson turned it down.

 

[Gojira]

Anyone want to speculate when we'll see footage from the film? I read something from last month saying that DC won't show the first trailer for six months...which would be sometime around comic con. I think they'll have a strong presence at SDCC this year. I've read a lot of thoughts from my friends who think the teaser will be attached with "The Dark Knight Rises" which makes sense. Production wraps up here in Vancouver in two weeks. I expect though we could get a teaser poster in the next couple of months. Not sure why I think that but that's just a gut feeling. We'll probably hear about who will compose in that time frame. I don't think it will be Tyler Bates as he's got a couple of projects already for 2012 he is working on.

I am hoping around the release of Dark Knight Rises we'll see a trailer.

Has principle photography ended for the movie yet?

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Supposed to wrap up on the 21st of this month.

 

[Captain Craig]

I say Warners should do a double tap to the main core audience.
A minute to minute 15 sec teaser with perhaps all of 20-30 seconds of that with actual footage. Do the black screen with voice over showing perhaps silhouettes.

Then at TDKR show the first 2min+ full of footage trailer.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I say Warners should do a double tap to the main core audience.
A minute to minute 15 sec teaser with perhaps all of 20-30 seconds of that with actual footage. Do the black screen with voice over showing perhaps silhouettes.

Then at TDKR show the first 2min+ full of footage trailer.

Well, since the movie won't come out until June 2013, which is still a year and a half away, I'd say it makes more sense to attach the first teaser to TDKR and release the first real trailer with The Hobbit.

 

[Captain Craig]

Yeah, that'll work also.

 

[Nerys Myk]

80s Jeff Goldblum would have made a good Joker. Tall, thin and has a big smile. As for Luthor, Alfred Molina with his head shaved is a dead ringer for the 1950s comics Luthor.

 

[pengbuzz]

I'll give the new one with Henry Cavill a chance, but after seeing the Brandon Routh film, I'm not very optimistic.

 

[Trekker4747]

The two movies, other than being about Superman, have virtually nothing in common. So there's no reason why to think the previous movie would have any impact on this one.

I mean, you didn't judge "Batman Begins" based on what "Batman and Robin" was like, did you?

 

[pengbuzz]

The two movies, other than being about Superman, have virtually nothing in common. So there's no reason why to think the previous movie would have any impact on this one.

I mean, you didn't judge "Batman Returns" based on what "Batman and Robin" was like, did you?

Because frankly, Hollyweird has run out of any good ideas. And I didn't like any of the Batman films to be honest.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The two movies, other than being about Superman, have virtually nothing in common. So there's no reason why to think the previous movie would have any impact on this one.

I mean, you didn't judge "Batman Returns" based on what "Batman and Robin" was like, did you?

Because frankly, Hollyweird has run out of any good ideas. And I didn't like any of the Batman films to be honest.

Using "Hollyweird" and whining about the "lack of ideas" pretty much negates what ever point you're trying to make.

 

[pengbuzz]

The two movies, other than being about Superman, have virtually nothing in common. So there's no reason why to think the previous movie would have any impact on this one.

I mean, you didn't judge "Batman Returns" based on what "Batman and Robin" was like, did you?

Because frankly, Hollyweird has run out of any good ideas. And I didn't like any of the Batman films to be honest.

Using "Hollyweird" and whining about the "lack of ideas" pretty much negates what ever point you're trying to make.

opinions vary.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because frankly, Hollyweird has run out of any good ideas. And I didn't like any of the Batman films to be honest.

Using "Hollyweird" and whining about the "lack of ideas" pretty much negates what ever point you're trying to make.

opinions vary.

Hollywood is Hollywood. Its always been a mixed of good ideas and bad ideas. Only nostalgia lets us think it was better in the old days. Its no "weirder" than it was back then either. "Hollyweird" just isn't that clever a play on words.

 

[Admiral_Young]

So pengbuzz is not optimistic about "Man of Steel" not because he didn't like "Superman Returns" but because hollywood has "run out of ideas"? I thought the answer was going to be because he didn't like "Superman Returns". That would have been understandable.

 

[pengbuzz]

I didn't like superman returns and I don't think Hollywood has any new ideas. Sorry if I offended folks' sensibilities here, but when it is my money buying the movie ticket, I reserve the right to like what I like. And in the last few years, Hollywood hasn't had anything good; to say it's "nostalgia" is to maintain the "always has been always will be" mindset.


So with that, I will step out of this thread; if I wanted to get jumped for stating my honest opinion, I'd go sign up on a video gamers' forum.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I didn't like superman returns and I don't think Hollywood has any new ideas. Sorry if I offended folks' sensibilities here, but when it is my money buying the movie ticket, I reserve the right to like what I like. And in the last few years, Hollywood hasn't had anything good; to say it's "nostalgia" is to maintain the "always has been always will be" mindset.


So with that, I will step out of this thread; if I wanted to get jumped for stating my honest opinion, I'd go sign up on a video gamers' forum.

Its called discussion and debate. Disagreement is not "jumped". If all you're looking for is people who will agree with you, you're in the wrong place.

Thing is "always has been always will be" is true in Hollywood and any other creative environment. Product will vary in quality and most of what is produced will not be that good or memorable. That will never change.

 

[Admiral_Young]

The thing is I don't anyone ever disagreed with you pengbuzz...I was confused with the answer you gave Trekker. He made a fair point and you then responded by blaming hollywood, without establishing that you didn't like "Superman Returns" until the response after my post.

 

[Captaindemotion]

The two movies, other than being about Superman, have virtually nothing in common. So there's no reason why to think the previous movie would have any impact on this one.

I mean, you didn't judge "Batman Returns" based on what "Batman and Robin" was like, did you?

That would have been difficult, given that Returns came out 5 years earlier.

(Yeah, I know you mean Batman Begins)

 

[Trekker4747]

The two movies, other than being about Superman, have virtually nothing in common. So there's no reason why to think the previous movie would have any impact on this one.

I mean, you didn't judge "Batman Returns" based on what "Batman and Robin" was like, did you?

That would have been difficult, given that Returns came out 5 years earlier.

(Yeah, I know you mean Batman Begins)

D'OH!

Fixed.

Anyway, the point still stands. Judging one movie based on the failings of the previous series' creative team is... odd.

There's probably countless examples we can call on to use where a series of movies had a "reboot" or a new creative angle taken. Look at the Bond movies. Is it fair to judge the first Daniel Craig movie based on the last Pierce Brosnan movie? Both have very different takes and looks at the character and there's a strong change of tone between the two. (The Brosnan movies went extreme action movie camp, the Craig movies went back to gritty spy action stuff.)

The "Spider-Man" reboot is taking a different approach.

The previous "Hulk" movie was a different take than the one that came out a few years before.

2009's "Star Trek" was a different take than the last batch of movies (both from TNG and TOS.)

If you think Hollywood is bankrupt for ideas (which in of itself is a shaky place to stand, as there's still been plenty of movies that have came out to show otherwise) that's one thing. But it's not fair to judge a movie that is starting it's own thing based on it's predecessor.

Superman Returns was tying into the Donner movie(s) and partly inspired by them. "Man of Steel" is starting it's own path with no ties to any of the previous movies. Now, it may be worse than Returns (which I sort of like, but know it has flaws) but it's not fair to judge it simply because the last movie sucked. The two have nothing in common other than the main character and the studio(s) involved. Casting, creative staff, all of that is different. Hell, it wouldn't have been fair to judge Returns on the Superman IV abortion of a movie and you may hate Returns to the ends of the Earth but it was not worse than Superman IV.

As for Hollywood being bankrupt for ideas, a lot of crap coming out, doesn't wash with me. If you were to look at the releases over time you'd see there was a lot of crap that came out in the 50s, 60s and 70s. A lot, but only the good stuff survived so we think higher of that time. Right now we're seeing everything.

In 10-20 years it'll be different, we'll have forgotten about all of the crap and only remember the good stuff.

 

[AFEK ESLCAFE W]

In 10-20 years it'll be different, we'll have forgotten about all of the crap and only remember the good stuff.

Except for Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace and Batman & Robin.