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Superman (casting, rumors, pix till release)

Dude, get a grip. Discussion of Spock's psionic powers in TAS did not "go on for several pages", and Spock was offered as an example of a method that has been used to depict Superman's powers. You aren't obliged to read the posts. In any case, all points discussed to my satisfaction at least. Thank you.
 
The fact that we have to resort to discussion about how Superman's powers maybe used and described in the new film is directly related to us not having any news to discuss. Thus, why i've not participated in this silly discussion.
 
Superman is mos def not magic, 'cause that's one of his weaknesses. The thing is, don't even magic users in the DCU have a quasi-scientific explanation as to how they're able to wield those powers?
 
^ I'm pretty sure that they do. I'm not sure exactly what it is though. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the magic users in the DCU would be able to explain this.

Superman is based on science, pseudo-science maybe, but yeah he's definitely not magic, that is just how some fans perceive to explain his powers. The current comics have been steeped in Kryptonian science. Superman to me is a prime example of Clarke's third law.
 
Superman is mos def not magic, 'cause that's one of his weaknesses. The thing is, don't even magic users in the DCU have a quasi-scientific explanation as to how they're able to wield those powers?
None that I'm aware of. The Spectre is on a mission from God. Dr Fate was a Lord of Order. The Phantom Stranger is a neutral fallen angel/the Wandering Jew/A guy who pissed off God/Galactus. The Demon is a demon from Hell.
 
Dude, get a grip. Discussion of Spock's psionic powers in TAS did not "go on for several pages", and Spock was offered as an example of a method that has been used to depict Superman's powers. You aren't obliged to read the posts. In any case, all points discussed to my satisfaction at least. Thank you.

I would have thought that my reference to sending in SWAT teams evinced a certain light-heartedness on my part that is lacking from your touchy 'get a grip' response. :rolleyes: But hey, if you're enjoying debating pointless silliness that isn't, you know, anything whatsoever to do with the title of this thread, knock yourself out.

Sooooooo glad to hear of your satisfaction. But, you know, even scrolling through this:

Just trying to figure out what your objections to a Superman with a "psychic" origin for his powers are. I'm not saying they should go that route and IIRC they haven't but if they did it wouldn't be all that "wrong".
OK, that is a fair question.

The short answer as to why psionics is inappropriate for Superman is because, traditionally, in universe the paranormal has not been the source of his powers. The limitations of Superman's powers traditionally derive from purely physical arrangements, such as lead to block his X-ray vision, not to mention that it is the radiation from kryptonite that is harmful to Superman, and lead (Pb) can shield Superman from this radiation. So, historically, the tone of Superman has been that his powers derive from that part of the fantasy spectrum closer to science fiction than to swords and sorcery. From the wiki:

The source of Superman's powers has changed subtly over the course of his history. It was originally stated that Superman's abilities derived from his Kryptonian heritage, which made him eons more evolved than humans.[73] This was soon amended, with the source for the powers now based upon the establishment of Krypton's gravity as having been stronger than that of the Earth. ... [Later,] the Superman writers established that Kryptonians, whose native star Rao had been red, only possessed superpowers under the light of a yellow sun.[100] More recent stories have attempted to find a balance between the two explanations.
I summarize my take on tactile telekinesis as follows.

First of all, the term "tactile telekinesis" is a misnomer, because the prefix "tele-" implies action at a distance. Be that as it may, my understanding, as it were, is that tactile telekinesis results from "an energy field surrounding and penetrating" Superman's body that may be extended to encompass objects in physical contact with him. It is worth noting that the film Superman (1978) practically admitted that Superman had this power, although it did not name it, when he took Lois Lane for the ride on "the night she spent with Superman". She stays in flight with Superman, even when they touch only by their fingertips. It is only when her hand slips away and they lose contact that she begins plummeting to Earth. (He swoops down to save her, brilliantly foreshadowing how he reverses her death in the climax of the film. But I digress.) Therefore, this power predates the Byrne reboot by almost a decade.

Conceiving tactile whatever-kinesis as a force field also places it on the fantasy spectrum closer to science fiction than to swords and sorcery. One can imagine that physical contact allows some sort of induction to occur that transfers the levitation effect from Superman's body into any matter in direct contact with him, in a technobabbly sort of way not at all dissimilar to electromagnetic induction. The fact that tactile telekinesis is a misnomer, in that it is not really action at a distance, tends also to make a characterization of this ability as being "psychic" more of a stretch.

It is also worth noting another thing about the 1978 Donner film. Besides all but stating overtly that Superman's powers result from Krypton being in a different galaxy with a different set of physical laws, Jor-El also says:

JOR-EL'S VOICE
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As we pass through the flaming turmoil which is the edge of your own galaxy, we will enter the realm of the red Krypton sun, source of your strength and nourishment, cause of our eventual destruction
Given also what is evidently the visual depiction of this flaming turmoil, I am reminded of nothing else than the force field at the edge of the galaxy depicted in TOS: Where No Man Has Gone Before. In this episode, as we know, Mitchell and Dehner develop god-like powers after interacting with the force field. They were susceptible to the effect because of their psychic abilities. Now, without getting bogged down in semantics, I argue that TOS:WNMHGB attempted to operate on the end of the fantasy spectrum closer to science fiction than to swords and sorcery, despite telling a story that invoked ESP. In universe, the causes of the mutation were all scientific, and ESP was considered a scientifically measurable phenomenon. I would be more than a little surprised if the "flaming turmoil" in the Donner film were not a direct allusion to the galactic barrier in Star Trek. If it is such an allusion, then I think the intent would be to suggest an explanation for Superman's powers that, while in actuality fantastic, in universe is meant to have the tone of a scientific explanation, in particular involving some intergalactic phenomenon leading to god-like as opposed to godly abilities, that can be countered by villains, such as Lex Luthor, employing attacks based in the science of the fictional world.

It is this tone of having a scientific explanation in universe that is the decisive reason why I find the use of the term "psionics" in connection with tactile telekinesis to be inappropriate. The only possible way it could avoid being distasteful to me is if, as with TOS:WNMHGB, and as an extension of this sort of science fiction, one argues that in universe psionics are not really paranormal. But if that view is Mulder, then as a reader my viewpoint is Scully, and even if the case is made, I'm going to be dragged kicking and screaming the whole time. For, and furthermore, even in TOS:WNMHGB, the full blown god-like abilities took physical contact with the barrier to manifest themselves, and therefore were not exclusively psionic in nature, even if at all psionic. The cause was therefore strange energy rather than freak mentality. Incidentally, failing to stay on Scully's side of this distinction is why I consider TNG:Journey's End to have jumped the shark.

I know this all personal and subjective, but it's the best I can do for now. Thanks for asking.

Total cure for insomnia.
 
Guys, guys, you're all wrong. I have it on very good authority that it's actually going to be Daniel Craig, not Daniel Craig.
 
Can't these films ever get away from Luthor and Zod? Superman does have other villains (Yeah, I know some are kind of lame, but others have potential).
 
Really disappointing. No one will ever top Terence Stamp's Zod. It's not like Nicholson's Joker where there was room for improvement. Stamp owned that role.

I don't care that it was over-the-top and hammy, it was great that way. I have no desire to see a more serious interpretation of the character, which I'm sure this would be.

Sucks that they'd go back to villains of the first Superman series, despite claiming they wanted to make this fresh like "Batman Begins" by acting like the previous movies didn't happen.

I think using villains who haven't been seen on the big screen before would have been a better way to accomplish that goal.

Would have much preferred Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, Doomsday or even some of the goofier villains like Bizarro or Mr. Mxyzptlk. My interest in this movie just plummeted. :klingon:
 
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Zod has the virtue, of course, of having all of Superman's powers and the opposite point-of-view on how to use them and on people in general. So yeah, this should be interesting.

Not really caring about how this compares to the old movies and Stamp - that was a long time ago and those were very different films.

Still..."Kneel befor Zod" jokes will be made. :lol:
 
Michael Shannon is an excellent choice to play Zod. I'm not surprised that there are disappointed fans about this. Superman frankly does not have a lot of interesting, and more importantly well known villains that can be used. The retconned Geoff Johns and Richard Donner version of General Zod that has been used over the last two years in the New Krypton storyline (which basically is the movie Zod with a more fleshed out back story and purpose) is extremely interesting.

The casting for this movie has been outstanding so far. I keep getting more excited for this project.
 
Nice choice for Zod! :techman:

I'm surprised the posters over at the superherohype forums haven't gone crazy about this news yet. Slow day. :rommie:
 
Can't these films ever get away from Luthor and Zod? Superman does have other villains (Yeah, I know some are kind of lame, but others have potential).

Yeah. For all the talk about a need to reboot the character and get away from the Donner version, why use the one comic book villain (other than Lex) who Donner used? In fact, when you consider what a minor character Zod was until the Donner films (and for most of the comics thereafter until recently), the decision is even more confounding.

That being said, Shannon is a great actor. In fact, he's the one guy I had thought might be able to pull off the Joker, post Ledger.
 
The good thing about Zod is that you don't have to explain where he got his powers from like the rest of Superman's villains. He is a Kryptonian just like Superman, there you go.
 
Yeah, this is a good choice. I hope Snyder is able to bring a little of his batshitcrazy to the fights- I want to see Supes and Zod hitting each other with skyscrapers!
 
I wonder if Lex will be cast next. I'm really starting to think that he's going to be a supporting character (i.e. in the shadows).
 
Zod gives the writers as much chance to dig into who Clark is and why he decides to do what he does as they decide they want to take - the very premise of the threat of Zod being, after all, that an indestructible and supremely powerful alien could choose to unsympathetically rule or destroy us.

This choice also leverages whatever familiarity factor does carry over from previous movies and TV shows while sidestepping the more obvious and repetitious choice (Lex Luthor).
 
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