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Superhero costumes...

Warped9

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Rather than risk derailing individual threads why not discuss this specific issue separately?

For comic based movies of the contemporary era there is a tendency to reinvent what we've long accepted as familiar. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The look of Nolan's Batman costume works for their approach, but it's quite divergent from the familiar. With Batman still being essentially normal and not super powered the rubberized and over detailed body suit doesn't look right to me as the ideal way Batman could look---it's just overdone. The previous Batman live-action films had the same problem. To me the character just looks weighed down and as such doesn't look like he could make the seemingly effortless ninja like moves Batman makes. These comic films are somewhat SF or sci-fi and so why not a suit that looks deceptively simple yet is made of advanced materials?

Nolan's Joker look worked for me because it was contextual withe everything else. On the flip side I thought Raimi's look for the Green Goblin was overdone. I liked Raimi's take on Spidey's suit, but you did have to overlook the thought of how a cash strapped guy like Peter Parker could afford such an elaborately fashioned suit. And after it gets damaged he somehow manages to replace it or get it flawlessly repaired.

Iron Man's suit worked because of the thinking leading up to it onscreen. It's supposed to be an unmistakable high tech suit of armor. And Tony Stark (like Bruce Wayne) has the financial means to develop what he wants or needs.

Captain America's WW2 suits worked because they were visually grounded in the era and because Steve Rogers is physically beyond the human norm. His early promotional suit played homage (in a comical way) to the simplicity of the comics while his actual combat suit looked credible enough to work for someone with far beyond normal strength. I found his helmet/mask interesting because it didn't look much different from early flying head gear. We'll have to wait and see how his modern era suit will look and work onscreen.

I haven't yet seen Thor or Green Lantern and so I can't really comment much on those. But I can say I disliked the thinking behind how GL's suit was depicted and the sequences I have seen of it don't look right to me.

Superman's costume has evolved over the years, but for the longest time it was pretty straightforward. I think for Superman it really comes down to the actor wearing the costume. It's a matter of presence, quiet dignity and confidence. George Reeves and Christopher Reeve had it and made it work. The darker tones and embellished "S" couldn't help Brandon Routh just as Dean Cain always looked self-conscious in costume. The jury is still out (for another two years!) on Henry Cavill, but I can't say I care for what I see so far. I don't think the rubbery or plasticky and over textured suit with raised/embossed chest shield works at this point. And if it also doesn't have the red briefs to visually break up all that blue then it will be a fail for me.

I think much the same thinking applies to Wonder Woman. A lot of it has to do with the actress and how she "wears" the role.

I'm sure there are examples and characters I'm overlooking (including villains), but at least this can get the conversation going.
 
Well, can't please everybody. I do wonder how many other different variations of Cavill's suit they went through before they decided on that one.
 
I liked the GL costume and will be disappointed if they go with something more traditional in the sequels.

The Batman and Captain America adjustments to the movies are sensible ones - "we dress this way because it's protective."

I believe it's Grant Morrison who observed that a guy like Superman is not going to be running around in "ballet tights" without a damned good reason.
 
Well, can't please everybody.
True. My intent was to open a discussion to put forth opinions on why or why not a particular depiction for a character worked or not. Simply saying something sucks may be an opinion, but it's not very specific or illuminating.
 
In terms of shooting a movie, tights are problematic in the way that they move. Reeve had to have multiple costumes for walking, sitting and so on - he also had a variety of capes for similar reasons. This dictates the way scenes featuring the hero have to be edited as well.

Is Batman's armor any easier to deal with? I dunno, but I'll bet Cap's outfit is.

You know what translated brilliantly to the screen, though, is the one guy who wears armor instead of tights on the comic page: Iron Man.
 
You know what translated brilliantly to the screen, though, is the one guy who wears armor instead of tights on the comic page: Iron Man.
Agreed. I thought it worked very well. It was exactly what it was supposed to be and what it has been depicted as for decades in the original source materiel.
 
I haven't yet seen Thor or Green Lantern and so I can't really comment much on those. But I can say I disliked the thinking behind how GL's suit was depicted and the sequences I have seen of it don't look right to me.
Green Lantern's outfit is supposed to be a ring construct, so it shouldn't look like spandex or leather. If they had gone that route, I think fans would have let it go, but they went the extra mile with the CGI suit I'm glad they did. It was a great idea, it made sense and it looked quite good in the end product.
 
It was exactly what it was supposed to be and what it has been depicted as for decades in the original source materiel.

Some source material is more readily adapted to another medium; if each didn't have it's own limitations, strengths and requirements they would all be the same medium (duh).

At best, people making movies understand what will and won't work and what to discard. It would be myopic to call it a coincidence that the modern era of mega successful superhero movies tracks exactly with the increasing willingness of directors and designers to discard the precise aesthetic of the comic books...with the most successful of them all, Nolan's Batman films, being the property that is probably least visually faithful of them all.
 
I haven't yet seen Thor or Green Lantern and so I can't really comment much on those. But I can say I disliked the thinking behind how GL's suit was depicted and the sequences I have seen of it don't look right to me.
Green Lantern's outfit is supposed to be a ring construct, so it shouldn't look like spandex or leather. If they had gone that route, I think fans would have let it go, but they went the extra mile with the CGI suit I'm glad they did. It was a great idea, it made sense and it looked quite good in the end product.

I think it will look great on the Blu-Ray release
 
Of all the live-action Two-Faces I've seen, Nolan's looked the most faithful to the comic book version. Same face with the bug-eye and warped lip on one side, and they even found a way to work in the half-and-half suit by having one side burnt.

Superman's costume has evolved over the years, but for the longest time it was pretty straightforward. I think for Superman it really comes down to the actor wearing the costume. It's a matter of presence, quiet dignity and confidence. George Reeves and Christopher Reeve had it and made it work. The darker tones and embellished "S" couldn't help Brandon Routh just as Dean Cain always looked self-conscious in costume. The jury is still out (for another two years!) on Henry Cavill, but I can't say I care for what I see so far. I don't think the rubbery or plasticky and over textured suit with raised/embossed chest shield works at this point.
A lot of costumes these days have some sort of texture. So far, we have Spider-Man's costume, Routh's Superman, the uniforms on Abrams' Trek, and now the new Superman and Catwoman. And I agree that the new Superman costume looks over textured, especially with the way they have it on a raised rubber \S/.
 
A lot of costumes these days have some sort of texture. So far, we have Spider-Man's costume, Routh's Superman, the uniforms on Abrams' Trek, and now the new Superman and Catwoman. And I agree that the new Superman costume looks over textured, especially with the way they have it on a raised rubber \S/.
The little deltas all over the Abrams' Trek costumes looked positively stupid. Texturing you could argue for, but the deltas was just fucking dumb.
 
The texture thing gets a little out of hand in my view (the latest Superman and Spiderman movie outfits are good examples), but I'm generally pleased with how costumes turn out. I loved Captain America's, and one of the things I liked about "Batman Begins" was a return to a much better-looking costume than the one we had seen in "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin."
 
While Green Goblin was extremely overdone as noted, I did like Raimi's visual take on the other Spider-villains for the most part. Sandman, for instance, looked just about identical to the comic version.
 
The texture thing gets a little out of hand in my view (the latest Superman and Spiderman movie outfits are good examples), but I'm generally pleased with how costumes turn out. I loved Captain America's, and one of the things I liked about "Batman Begins" was a return to a much better-looking costume than the one we had seen in "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin."
The cowl on Bale's costume from The Dark Knight looks like a helmet and the cape looks pretty limp. It's probably more plausible, but it looks odd.
 
The texture thing gets a little out of hand in my view (the latest Superman and Spiderman movie outfits are good examples), but I'm generally pleased with how costumes turn out. I loved Captain America's, and one of the things I liked about "Batman Begins" was a return to a much better-looking costume than the one we had seen in "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin."
The cowl on Bale's costume from The Dark Knight looks like a helmet and the cape looks pretty limp. It's probably more plausible, but it looks odd.

I really dislike the cape from the Dark Knight. We went from something that could look like bat wings and had some texture to it to something that just hangs there like a very dark bed sheet.
 
Doc Ock and Venom visually translated well I thought too. The execution on how Venom was portrayed was kind of ho-hum though.
 
Venom was too exaggerated. It looked like the comic version stepping right off the page. Indeed whenever he was onscreen he didn't look real but more like an obvious cgi animation.

It's similar to how the Hulk appeared onscreen (both versions). Somethings are very difficult to do convincingly when it's mixed in with live-action.
 
How else would you show a symbiote alien? I guess you could go with practical creature fx (which I wish movies would go back to more often) like the oil alien that killed Tasha Yar.
 
I'm not too excited about Superman's new costume for the movie. To me, Superman wears a bright and gaudy costume so that people notice IT and not the details of his face. He swoops in, rescues you, or apprehends you, and all you can recall are the colors and basic details, black hair, blue eyes, strong jaw. Making the outfit more "real" is just kind of silly. Besides, isn't that costume supposed to have been made by Martha Kent out of his baby blankets from Krypton?

I think most of the costumes for movies work for me. NOT the Catwoman from the Barry movie. But Batman, Ironman, even Green Lantern, except for the mask, worked for me.

I play a LOT of City of Heroes and costumes are a BIG part of that game for me. I spend ages thinking about themes, power, movement, realism. And this is what I think.

Costumes should be tight (don't want someone grabbing it)
Costumes should have a power related theme (just for style)
Costumes should conceal identity (if needed)
They should cover MOST of the body (if necessary)
Costumes should provide a nearly complete range of movement
Costumes should provide all weather variations - can you imagine Batman in a broiling 115 degree Gotham summer in all that black armor and leather?

Costumes should have a utility belt or offer some kind of storage because, where else are you gonna keep important things?

I think MOST of the time Hollywood gets this right. I know a lot of fans wanted to see Yellow & Black Wolverine with the mask and everything, but I don't think that would look good on screen and frankly, it looks crap in the comic anyway. I much prefer his brown look from the 80s.

I think the only one that was just wrong wrong wrong is the Hulk. It's just never going to look like anything other than a CGI cartoon. I still believe that a large, beefy, green-painted man will work best and there are camera angles and tricks you can use to increase the proportions.

(I just wanted to add that Wonder Woman is the obvious exception to the cover everything rule - her costume is a visual idea and symbol - more so than any protection and what not. But I am open to revisions - I liked the TV show (new) outfit except for the tiara was all wrong.)

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The iconic WW costume is just wrong. It's completely unrealistic, not to mention impractical, for a busty woman to wear something that is essentially a corset with a thong attached (well some modern versions of it are!)

You wouldn't be able to do anything in that outfit other than stand there and pose...
 
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