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Supergirl - Season Four

With that said Kara was very wrong to destroy it. That's basically a act of war or terrorism and since she is a American citizen it's also treason.

I don't think it can be called an act of war since she's not a government, and it can't be called terrorism because it wasn't done to sow terror in pursuit of a political or ideological objective. (The perception of what the word "terrorism" means has been badly twisted by people with agendas.) It's more like sabotage, I guess. And treason doesn't just mean acting against your own country, it specifically means giving aid or comfort to an enemy of your country. More like sedition, maybe?
 
Why do people think Supergirl is American?

Her accent?

Her white bread ways?

In fact isn't she an illegal alien who should be deported at the first moment Earth 38's American ICE members can get a hold of her?

Speaking of facts, who says that 2 billion dollar satellite can take down any alien ship that has force fields/armor/weapons. Its likely the only thing it can bring down are vulnerable alien transport ships full of defenseless refugees... like Kalel was and Kara was... once upon a time. Where would Earth 38 be now if they had done that?

And who gave the United States the RIGHT to piss off an alien race (with firepower potentially beyond our understanding) against our entire world? Was the President going to bring his decision to "fire" to the United Nations first to get them to sign off before embroiling everyone in an extra-terrestrial war??

Switching gears to the question of "shouldn't we give The Elites a pass" on killing the CoL since the CoL are killing innocent Aliens?

No.

Didn't The Elites kill an innocent human prison guard to get into that prison holding Manchester Black and threaten to kill another while fleeing said prison?

The Elites should not be celebrated, they should be in the prison cell next to the CoL.
 
Why do people think Supergirl is American?

Supergirl is a citizen of the world, but Kara Danvers is an American citizen. She's lived in the United States since 2003. She considers herself an American, and her documents say that she is.


Her accent?

Her white bread ways?

One would have to be very ignorant of American diversity to think that either of those was relevant. Americans have many accents, speak many languages, and practice many customs.


In fact isn't she an illegal alien who should be deported at the first moment Earth 38's American ICE members can get a hold of her?

Certainly in the climate of bigotry that exists toward aliens in the show, a lot of people probably want that. But Supergirl has been given the government's sanction and endorsement up to now because of her heroism, and she's worked closely with -- and apparently for -- the government until recently. At this point, though, it's possible we're heading for a point where President Baker and his new terrorist-leader Secretary of Alien Affairs might try to deport her.
 
No, Supergirl was an undocumented immigrant (yes, an illegal alien) until President Lynda Carter's Alien Amnesty Act. So she's legally a US citizen as are all aliens living on the USA as of last year in-universe.

They are American citizens with voting rights and protections under the law.
 
I think the showrunners are showing what happens when one guy has total control over the government. Did he ever suggest the Congress of the United States okayed this two Billion dollar program? Or that they signed off on preemptive use of this firepower?

It should be remembered that the Claymore was not created overnight. Technology of that caliber had to have been in development for years--including during the stint of the previous president. Meaning, many in the executive branch were well aware of the project and were perfectly happy to not let the public know anything about it. Sounds like innumerable defense and intelligence programs initiated by the real life U.S., and discovered only in the wake of some scandal, such as Operation Northwoods, COINTELPRO (including Kennedy-approved wiretapping / film surveillance of MLK, among others in the Movement), and other programs. The point being that national security is rarely shared with the public, so it should come as no surprise that some in the government were also kept out of the loop--probably due to some doubts about their service and/or proximity to the very problems they're dealing with.

This falls immediately apart with the fact that if you don't act on your conscience then you are a failure as a human being.

How often people forget that numerous domestic terrorist organizations have used that same rationale, from the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the White Aryan Resistance, the Black Liberation Army, the Posse Comitatus, and others--all believing they had a conscience-driven call to attack their dreamed-up enemies. This series' Elite is no different--a gang of mass murderers not representing morality, justice or the will of the people.

Ever hear of a thing called the American revolution?

One of the most astoundingly (and deliberately) misinterpreted events, as many--like the aforementioned terrorist groups--have all misused the American Revolution as evidence that their subversive, murderous actions were in lockstep with those attributed to the founding of this country, and/or the need for some societal change. Real history has and always will take the opposing side to that.

It's a weapon designed to kill any alien who approaches Earth, which is a home for refugees.

Earth is the one and only natal home of humans, so it should be expected that they will feel their lives are a priority. There should be no question or underestimation about that. Moreover, this is happening at a time when endless, often super-powered beings are settling on earth with barely any idea of who they are, the beliefs/politics of their world (also a major security issue), and what their motives are. That--and after several alien attacks nearly destroying the world cannot be swept aside in favor of some misguided notion of unchecked migration.

Again, we're a nation founded on rebellion.
Since when has rebellion against tyranny been anti-American?

Again, the same--the very same (and purposely skewed) argument for entirely subversive hate-fueled barbarity used by the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the White Aryan Resistance, the Black Liberation Army, the Posse Comitatus, and other domestic terrorist groups. Good company.

What is the proper action when the President commits atrocities? George Washington would say kick him out.

Hit the brakes. Washington was an atrocity-committing terrorist himself, embracing abominable acts of savagery in his treatment of African slaves and habitually circumventing laws to re-capture escaped slaves who were free In other states. He spent the last three years of his life trying to recapture Oney Judge, one of his wife's slaves. Considering his own history, he should have kicked himself out.
 
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I apologize for swerving into RL politics but sticking to Supergirl politics alone, the difference between bad revolutionaries and good revolutionaries is a pretty easy one.

One is bad, one is good.

I very strongly believe the show frames the Children of Liberty as much worse and I also don't think that a show which advocates blind loyalty to government is a good one.

I think Supergirl's actions were justified but she has been ineffective in confronting a terrorist organization.
 
No, Supergirl was an undocumented immigrant (yes, an illegal alien) until President Lynda Carter's Alien Amnesty Act. So she's legally a US citizen as are all aliens living on the USA as of last year in-universe.

Well, as of two and a half years ago, the start of season 2.

But Kara Danvers, as far as her documents are concerned, has been a US citizen all along. Those initial documents may have been forged, but she's lived as a US citizen for most of her life and considers herself one.

The very concept of "illegal" immigration is intrinsically racist, since the first laws that restricted immigration into the US were passed in the late 19th century as an attempt to stem Chinese immigration, which was demonized as the "Yellow Peril." Immigration laws that discriminated on the basis of (alleged) mental illness, poor education, or political ideology were passed soon after. These are laws that serve no purpose except to institutionalize intolerance. So even if Kara's documents were forged to protect her identity, I can't see anything wrong with that.
 
The big issue I have with the space gun as I call it was I think the President said it would be used to fire on any ship coming to earth on sight. To me that is wrong and I think it was suppose to be calling out Trump saying it would be okay to shoot imigrants crossing the border.. On the other hand a space gun as a defensive measure in order to protect from any incoming invasion seems to make sense. Also one in which other governments have some say in how it's used unless you want other nations creating their space guns as well.

Also if Supergirl wants to make things better I would say helping humanity basically develop space flight would be a good start. Earth as it is can't really defend itself against some of the more advanced aliens out their if they didn't have Superman or Supergirl so they do need a increase in tech for the day in which they can no longer count on Superman or Supergirl. Also if Supergirl wanted to she could have disabled the weapon to a point where it can't be used unless someone goes up their and fixes it and then let the public aware of it so the people of earth are at least aware of what has been built and be able to voice their opinion on whether it's a good thing and let it be campaign issue for the President when the next election is up.

Jason
 
It should be remembered that the Claymore was not created overnight. Technology of that caliber had to have been in development for years--including during the stint of the previous president. Meaning, many in the executive branch were well aware of the project and were perfectly happy to not let the public know anything about it.

In real life, surely. In a comic-book universe, that's not necessarily the case. Heck, mad scientists and super-villains routinely launch death-ray satellites or build giant city-stomping robot dinosaurs without years of appropriations and R&D. In a world where telepathic gorillas exist, and Brainy can throw together a pair of gloves to channel "dream energy," I can accept that the Evil President can authorize a top-secret super-weapon and get it launched in no time at all.

It's comic-book logic, like Kara hiding her secret identity behind a pair of glasses. Back in the Silver Age, Lex Luthor or Doctor Sivana used to whip up a new diabolical device every other month . . . and that was before they were billionaire tycoons. :)
 
On the other hand a space gun as a defensive measure in order to protect from any incoming invasion seems to make sense.

Not really. As mentioned above, any actual warships would probably have shields or defenses against it, so the only ships it could actually destroy are the harmless refugee craft. It's just pandering to fear for political gain rather than being a legitimate defense.


Also if Supergirl wants to make things better I would say helping humanity basically develop space flight would be a good start.

The DEO has had her space capsule in its possession since 2003. I'm sure they've had teams working on reverse-engineering its technology the whole time. I doubt she could provide any further help with that.


Also if Supergirl wanted to she could have disabled the weapon to a point where it can't be used unless someone goes up their and fixes it and then let the public aware of it so the people of earth are at least aware of what has been built and be able to voice their opinion on whether it's a good thing and let it be campaign issue for the President when the next election is up.

It occurs to me that what Supergirl did here was basically a larger-scale version of the classic beat where Superman or Supergirl takes a criminal's gun away from them and then crushes it in one hand. They generally don't stop to ask permission from the gun's owner before they destroy it. Their priority is human life and safety, more than the letter of the law.

It's worth remembering that Superman was originally portrayed in the comics and radio as an extralegal vigilante hunted by the police. Heck, Batman was declared an official ally of the police before Superman was. There's a long history of superheroes being more concerned with justice and public safety than strict legality.


In real life, surely. In a comic-book universe, that's not necessarily the case. Heck, mad scientists and super-villains routinely launch death-ray satellites or build giant city-stomping robot dinosaurs without years of appropriations and R&D. In a world where telepathic gorillas exist, and Brainy can throw together a pair of gloves to channel "dream energy," I can accept that the Evil President can authorize a top-secret super-weapon and get it launched in no time at all.

Indeed, the ease with which President Baker did that is part of why I suspect he's in cahoots with (or under the influence of, or being impersonated by) Lex Luthor.
 
A rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person - "their rebellion" - that it becomes illegal.
--- Dr. Benjamin Franklin, 1776 (musical)
 
I was taken back a bit by Baker demanding them moving up the launch date. Without an actual threat, what's the difference? I think Baker has an hidden agenda, something DEO isn't aware of.

Lockwood is being used. Baker doesn't really give a shit about him or his agents of liberty.
 
I was taken back a bit by Baker demanding them moving up the launch date. Without an actual threat, what's the difference? I think Baker has an hidden agenda, something DEO isn't aware of.

Lockwood is being used. Baker doesn't really give a shit about him or his agents of liberty.

It would appear to be the case, or at least he cares to use Lockwood as a popular figurehead or give him the true power the CoL cannot.
 
^Right. But the thing that irked me a bit when Marsdin first resigned and Baker took over.

I don't think Baker is what he seems as well. And I don't mean just an hidden agenda with an organization even more covert and secret than the DEO.
 
Supergirl is not just an immigrant but a refugee so her character is inherently political in this times. The majority of aliens on Earth also seem to be refugees.
 
Supergirl is not just an immigrant but a refugee so her character is inherently political in this times.

Which is fitting, because Superman was an emphatically political character in his early years. There was race-baiting, hate-mongering anti-immigrant rhetoric in the '30s and '40s identical to the filth we hear today, and the post-WWII Superman radio series did a number of storylines denouncing it.


The majority of aliens on Earth also seem to be refugees.

I often wonder about that. What is happening out in the galaxy that's destroying all these civilizations and creatings all these aliens who are refugees or the last survivors of their species? Is there some single conquering force behind it all? Whatever it is, presumably it doesn't exist in Earth-1's universe, which would explain why there's no apparent alien presence on that Earth.

Or maybe the Green Lantern Corps exists in Earth-1's universe (it's been mentioned that a Ferris Air test pilot disappeared some years ago) but not in Supergirl's universe, so maybe it's prevented all the conquests and catastrophes that happened in the latter. Maybe they even prevented Krypton from exploding, which is why the Supercousins aren't on Earth-1.
 
On the flip side, I sometimes wonder why we aren't seeing that many Metas. I think we've only seen two from Earth 38. No Harrison Wells on Earth 38?

I remember when we first saw the flashback of Earth 1's real Wells in that car with his late wife, I had the impression they had a career prior to starting Star Labs. Perhaps they never came up with Star Labs on Earth 38?
 
On the flip side, I sometimes wonder why we aren't seeing that many Metas. I think we've only seen two from Earth 38. No Harrison Wells on Earth 38?

There's definitely no STAR Labs.

Mind you, I believe the CRISIS will result in all of the worlds combining to make what amounts to the typical DCU.

Aliens, metas, and more.
 
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