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Supergirl - Season Four

Reverend said:
I haven't been keeping tabs on the press coverage of this show, but has it actually been confirmed that the other Kara we saw is an actual clone and not some multi-verse doppelganger or some-such? Does this mean they're doing the a version of the Galatea storyline from JLU? I really kinda hope so.

^ETA. 2 mins. You beat me by 2 mins! ;) lol
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Nothing has been confirmed, but the last time we saw her she appeared to be in some underground environment. So, as long as she stays there until the kryptonite problem is resolved then it shouldn't be a problem.
 
Awesome Possum said:
I could see him slowly realize that he had gone too far, especially as the season goes on and they likely do something far worse than the Kryptonite gas attack. Then he'd turn himself in and try to stop it. But he's killed some people and was part of several terrorist acts, so he's probably going to jail as a best case scenario.
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I haven't watched past this episode, but it certainly seems as if he has a moment of reconsideration regarding with whom he has aligned himself toward the end of the episode.
 
I thought the ending with J’onn crying was a bit odd. He just doesn’t seem the sort of person to get that upset over a mistake. I also thought it was poorly acted which didn’t help.

Any, that promo for the crossover looks good. Nice to see the king back.
 
thribs said:
That could be the case but I assumed it would have worn off by then.
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I think between the recent effect of the empathic enhancer (even if it was no longer active) and his unfiltered telepathic experience of Black's pain and murderous acts of vengeance, combined with the fact that his endorsement of Black very nearly got his surrogate "daughter" killed, his emotional state was understandable.
 
John is a different person, since his dad downloaded his life, and thousands more lives of all the fathers before him.

We don't know this Martian at all now.
 
theenglish said:
Nothing has been confirmed, but the last time we saw her she appeared to be in some underground environment. So, as long as she stays there until the kryptonite problem is resolved then it shouldn't be a problem.
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At the end of the episode where Lena and Brainy removed the kryptonite from the atmosphere, we saw a tag scene where the doppelganger was released from a thick-walled protective cylinder. So that's what kept her alive until the problem was fixed.
 
DigificWriter said:
Yes, the writers continued to have James act like an idiot and are for some reason keeping him and Lena apart unnecessarily,
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Of course they do; this series has never used James like anything other than the offensive "black guy because we need one," yet with the exception of one, already faded scene from last season, he never expressed a purpose specifically built on his identity / awareness of internal legacy and how that is bonded to / motivates his life's views and work. I guess no one on the SG writing staff would know anything about that, or do not care to know. On that note, its no surprise that he's the least developed main character on Supergirl, because he was never meant to be anything more than a tepid message. Compare him to just about everyone on Black Lightning or Luke Cage, and one can instantly see how those series respect the characters in developing and use characters with that unique mix of racial identity and purpose in a world where they're not dominant by political or cultural control. Four seasons in on Supergirl, and James is still not knowing what he's there for, or simply issuing the same "we're not like that" convention speech shared by everyone else on the show--but its not a sentiment specific to who he is.
Manchester Black is honestly the best addition to the series since Mon-El and Lena were introduced in Season 2, and his anti-hero status has me on the edge of my seat waiting to see what he's going to do next.
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He's just a murderer who faces no legal consequences. J'onn and Supergirl both know that, yet no action Is taken against him (because he's the showrunners' proxy prosecutor of the pro-immigration issue). This is not like MCU's Bucky while under Hydra's mind control, so one could argue that his taking life was not his fault. No, Manchester Black is simply a mass murderer, and all of tears shed for his girlfriend do not justify that...but again, I'm guessing he will never face any legal consequence for that.
 
^ I'm not sure why you're assuming Black will face no consequences; J'onn didn't learn he was a murderer till the end of this episode, after Black had effectively incapacitated him with the enhancer device, so there was no opportunity to arrest him. I haven't seen anybody on the show indicate or even suggest his killings would be okay -- indeed, Kara is appalled when he "merely" breaks out the brass knuckles.

ETA: I also think you may be applying different standards depending on how much you like the show and/or how much you sympathize with the characters' actions. After all, Gambi gunned down Proctor in cold blood in front of the entire Pierce family on Black Lightning, and I don't recall your demanding his arrest for that straight-up murder.
 
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Lena is an interesting character. It seems she tries to be cold and calculating like a Luthor, but deep down she is a softie. Like in this episode where she starts off very emotionally detached, only wanting to refer to the human test subject by a number not a name. But when she meets him and hears his story, she melts, even sharing her own story of the tragic death of her mother.

Also, I wonder if Lena got government approval to begin human trials. I can't imagine that she told the government the real nature of her research.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Manchester Black: Some will call Manchester Black an anti-hero, but the fact he's still depicted as justified in his already (mass) murderous actions based on showrunners' one-sided stand on immigration--masked as MB's revenge plot--is not at all acceptable. If he was anyone else with blood on his hands (like any of the Children of Liberty), he would be arrested, but not here. Further, MB's betraying Supergirl just to feed his lust for revenge should not be swept under the carpet because of a "bigger picture"...but in predictable fashion...it was.
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There hasn’t been time for them to stop MB. They only just learned about what he did.

It will probably be handled next episode.

Both J’onn and Supergirl are clearly against him.

Nothing in this episode has justified what he’s done.

TREK_GOD_1 said:
He's just a murderer who faces no legal consequences. J'onn and Supergirl both know that, yet no action Is taken against him
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They only just learned about it, there wasn’t enough time to show that in the episode.
 
thribs said:
Lena was adopted??? I don’t recall that at all. Gave me a shock. :)
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Lionel Luthor was her biological father. He had an affair with her mother while married to Lillian. When the mother died Lionel and Lillian adopted her. So Lex and Lena are half siblings who were raised together.
 
I thought last night's episode was quite strong.

The Lena stuff was outstanding. It's interesting that she lied to Adam about her answer to the spider in the bathtub question. I guess that means that she would have tested as heroic. No surprise there, actually.
 
Trek_God_1, I have up until this point really enjoyed what the writers have done with James, but the way he's been behaving in regards to the Children of Liberty is both ignorant and foolhardy and completely OOC.

CorporalCaptain, I think Lena's tearful "I moved the spider" comment was in relation to Adam's death and not an indicator that she'd lied to him.
 
The Realist said:
^ I'm not sure why you're assuming Black will face no consequences; J'onn didn't learn he was a murderer till the end of this episode, after Black had effectively incapacitated him with the enhancer device, so there was no opportunity to arrest him. I haven't seen anybody on the show indicate or even suggest his killings would be okay -- indeed, Kara is appalled when he "merely" breaks out the brass knuckles.
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Do you really think Manchester Black will spend even a moment in a court, jail or just in handcuffs for being what amounts to a serial killer?

ETA: I also think you may be applying different standards depending on how much you like the show and/or how much you sympathize with the characters' actions.After all, Gambi gunned down Proctor in cold blood in front of the entire Pierce family on Black Lightning, and I don't recall your demanding his arrest for that straight-up murder.
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Not at all. I don't support murder, but Gambi was acting in the service of protecting people who had their lives changed by his participation in the ASA/Green Light program, which is quite different than some guy running around murdering people for purely self-serving reasons having nothing to do with a greater problem (and he's not really making that argument, either), though the showrunners are using him as the stand-in for their feelings about anti-immigration advocates.
 
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