Supergirl - Season Four
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I haven't been keeping tabs on the press coverage of this show, but has it actually been confirmed that the other Kara we saw is an actual clone and not some multi-verse doppelganger or some-such? Does this mean they're doing the a version of the Galatea storyline from JLU? I really kinda hope so.
^ETA. 2 mins. You beat me by 2 mins!
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^ETA. 2 mins. You beat me by 2 mins!
lolI think that would have warranted a line. To go into space, Supergirl would have had to go through the Kryptonite atmosphere. Not true if she portals to Earth 1.
Sometimes these shows have major plotholes in one episode, and then there's a throw away line in the next one that explains things. And I think others pointed out that Russian Supergirl would have the same problem, which means an explanation should be likely on that front too.
That's also a difference with Superman. They've addressed this on occasion. Superman II showed that his biggest weakness was caring about collateral damage and the people affected by the battle. It's also why he moved the fight to the Fortress. In the comics, he stopped his fight with Doomsday, when he had a major advantage, to save a family from a fire.
That scene in Supergirl, made J'onn look bad. "You're safe now," and then he moves on never to return as the house burns down. You can understand where Agent Liberty is coming from here. And while yes, his direction is the wrong one, I'm hoping this character is redeemable.
They would have to come up with a good plot line to deal with that. And they would have to find a way to do justice to Superman without changing the title of the show. Superman has to be a supporting character here, so a Superman centered show would need a second plot and a team up with a regular like J'onn or Brainy.
Maybe something where Superman is in the future with Legion, helping a storyline in the present.
..an explanation like Comrade Kara is a clone created with an immunity to Kryptonite? That would make her more dangerous than Regular Kara, with no expected DEO Kryptonite weapons able to stop her. She would be the perfect weapon for person or people planning to use her to destroy Regular Kara and all she represents.
On that note, the series had Lockwood express valid points about the effect and politicization of aliens among humans, and although he's taken that to extremes, I hope his character is not wasted just to have the series stars wag their collective fingers at him, tell him "no!" / make Third Reich references, and look to the skies for a brighter day. The real world immigration issue--as I've said in the past--has many sides. Its complex and by no means weighted on one side of the issue, so in the wake of the series building Agent Liberty's character and justifications in such an interesting, reasoned way, the plot demands something more substantial and thoughtful than "you're wrong!" soapboxing to cap it all off.
Batman would like a word with you
What is your problem? This isn't a joke.
Brainiac is from the 31st century.
That's it.
That's it.
That certainly does work, but it hasn't been discussed yet. Last we saw Comrade Kara, wasn't she underground earthquaking?
I suppose she could be safe right now.
That said, if they wanted to do something dumb yet kind of funny, they could just show us that the kryptonite killed her. True, that would make the entire thing a waste of time, but it would be original.
I think we have watched Supergirl enough to know that the writers do not care about a balanced argument and that they don't see things as anything less than "liberal good/conservative bad." You're right that the immigration issue is complicated. But I would be shocked if they treated the side that doesn't want open borders with any kind of respect. That said, I admit, this episode opened up the Agent Liberty character to something more.
I have no problem with Mercy being evil, but especially given his comic book status, I would love to see this character redeemed.
That's not an excuse since this entire scenario exists in your head and nowhere else. Don't blame fictional characters for your transphobic material that you're passing off as jokes. It's still transphobic either you think it is or not and all you're done is double-down on it.
Max on the L Word.
It's already happened.
It's already happened.
I don’t care, you don’t have any excuse for what you posted. It’s transphobic and instead of stopping, you decided to keep on pushing it. It says a lot about you.
He stabbed an unarmed woman in the back and (it's implied) beat another defenseless alien to death. Redemption is probably not in the cards, although he may be granted a last-minute moment of contrition ("Oh my God, what have I become?") before he meets his just deserts.
Exactly, his story is a great example of a man destroyed by his own biases and slowly growing hatred. Showing how easy it is for anyone to fall into that trap.
Black Siren has killed far more people than that, and she's on a redemption arc on Arrow.
Why wouldn't redemption be in the cards? He's hardly like the former monsters I've seen in real life who served time in prison for murders, but turned their lives around either through religion, or some kind of counselling. If they--hardcore killers who once had not a piece of a moral compass can be redeemed, then Lockwood is not too far gone.
As mentioned earlier, with the Lockwood origin set-up, the showrunners cannot drop the ball--when Agent Liberty is confronted by the protagonists--in addressing his tragic experiences and reactions, which cannot be dismissed out of hand, just to wag that finger.
I could see him slowly realize that he had gone too far, especially as the season goes on and they likely do something far worse than the Kryptonite gas attack. Then he'd turn himself in and try to stop it. But he's killed some people and was part of several terrorist acts, so he's probably going to jail as a best case scenario.
I don't know. The Green Arrow has killed a great deal of people and he is forgiven. Plus fiction usually allows characters to be redeemed in ways they might not in the real world. I kind of like him been redeemed and maybe fighting for good next season. Let him be the Spike of the show. I've said for awhile the show needs to bring in a character like this who can bring real conflict and he seems to fit the bill so far. He would defiantly be a loose canon the show has always needed. If he stays as interesting as he was in the last episode I wouldn't want to send the character packing next season but not sure I would want him as a baddie two years in a role. Of course I could see him being sent to Gotham for Batwoman. He is someone who has the edge that you would expect from a Batman style show.
Jason
There's a line between killing someone who is a threat to you or others and innocent victims.
Not on tv or the movies if the writers are good enough to make you care or at least find the character compelling. The very fact that the victims were aliens also negates how people will feel. You see it all the time in Sci-Fi . Like how on "Stargate" SG-1 could kill as many aliens and Jaffa as they wanted but the times in which, humans are killed is rare. The alien makeup sort of negates the impact for viewers because it feels less real. Makes it feel more safe IMO thus it's easier to look past it.
Now if you kill humans it comes off as something else especially if it's graphic. Only person worst to kill than a human is a pet. Nobody incurs the wraith of a viewing audience more than to see a dog killed. Which is kind of why people loved "John Wick" so much. He was someone who know doubt has killed many innocent people but you kill a lovable dog and then you have gone to far and it makes his revenge justified.
I can see many ways in which he is redeemed or redeemed to a point where he is allowed to fight crime for the good side, just as long as he is shown to be feeling angst at times or conflicted. I could see him killing the twin baddies or finding away to stop Lex Luther from a bigger evil plan. He saves the ex-Presidents life. Even him taking responsbility for what he has done can work and of course next year they can come up with some excuse as to why they need to let him out to help out for whatever plot reasons.
If people love a character and catches on it really is just a matter of finding dramatic ways to keep that character, being a part of the show.
Jason
