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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

Exodus officially killed, once and for all, any notion that Lena is shady.

We must have been watching different episodes. All I remember her doing character wise was encouraging Kara to become a blogger to get her message out. I mean, she also finds the warehouse location and gets attacked, but all that proves is that she isn't working with her mother. she could be doing a huge amount of shady things that aren't related to Cadmus. Also, remember, several versions of Lex had him being Superman's friend, until an event turned him against Superman. Lena could go that direction fairly easily.

So, I'd say the idea of Lena being shady is alive and well. I hope she is shady or becomes so, it would be the first interesting thing she's done and the first relevancy she's had outside of being the daughter of the terrible main villain of the season.
 
Someone who's 'shady' wouldn't put their own life in danger just for the sake of helping out a friend, and that's exactly what Lena did in agreeing to help Kara find Cadmus.

I think people need to face up to the fact that, just as in the comics, Lena is a good guy. Period.
 
Lena could have an issue with Supergirl that Kara has no idea of.

Also, Lena gave Kara an "alien detector" test that everyone assumes failed to function because Kara zapped it with her heat vision. That has not been mentioned again.

A million years ago there was a Superman comic titled "The Death Of Superman." Lex Luthor cured cancer because it gave him a shot at killing Superman.
 
Someone who's 'shady' wouldn't put their own life in danger just for the sake of helping out a friend, and that's exactly what Lena did in agreeing to help Kara find Cadmus.

I think people need to face up to the fact that, just as in the comics, Lena is a good guy. Period.

I see you haven't been following Phil Jimenez' "Superwoman" series.
 
Exodus officially killed, once and for all, any notion that Lena is shady.


Sigh. You are so hoping the Lena character is going to stop pointing in the direction the plot compass appears fixed on since her debut.

We must have been watching different episodes. All I remember her doing character wise was encouraging Kara to become a blogger to get her message out. I mean, she also finds the warehouse location and gets attacked, but all that proves is that she isn't working with her mother.

Agreed.

she could be doing a huge amount of shady things that aren't related to Cadmus. Also, remember, several versions of Lex had him being Superman's friend, until an event turned him against Superman. Lena could go that direction fairly easily.

...and that chess piece scene (a couple of episodes back) was not misdirection, or there for no reason.

I hope she is shady or becomes so, it would be the first interesting thing she's done and the first relevancy she's had outside of being the daughter of the terrible main villain of the season.

^ This.
 
I think Mon-El works much better for such a scene, because with him she can express how she feels and he's just there to listen and that's it.

With James you'd have to throw in an expository explanation why he won't unfire her, and then also how he feels about it, and then the whole scene isn't really about her anymore...

...which will still need to play out in one way or another, unless all CatCo plots ended with that episode. There's no way (other than a couple of cheap "clean up" lines in a future episode) James can be anywhere near Kara and her firing not come up in any meaningful way.
 
Just saw the episode and as powerful as the scene showing Supergirl stopping the craft, why didn't she just heat vision the engines they still could of done the struggling to stop the ship by her stopping it hitting the ground killing everyone.
 
Hoping Lena doesn't turn out to be a bad guy. Season 1 we had Maxwell Lord this shows version of Lex Luthor, he got ditched for season 2. Keep Lena as a good guy, we don't need a female Lex Luthor to be the nemesis of Supergirl. Plenty of other villains and stories to tell and use.
 
Finally got caught up on this how which I somehow dismissed prior to watching the CW-crossover. So I binge-watched seasons 1 and 2 - and before anyone says it: I like Arrow, I like The Flash even more, I detest LoT (and gave up on that since I'm not a masochist), and I have no prior knowledge of the DC-comic-universe (save for the first 2 seasons of Lois and Clark but I guess that doesn't count ;) ).

I absolutely loved season 1, Cat Grant/Flockhart was simply an amazing pseudo-mentor. I really miss her "chop-chop", "tik-tok" etc. Such a character is missing now that Kara lost her job as a reporter. Overall, I liked the CatCo-setting with Winn, James, Cat and her, since it offered some balance to the Supergirl-part.

What I didn't like so much was the rift between seasons 1 and 2: the budding romance with James is ended before it even begins (not that I needed it, still it could have been handled better), the Lanes vanish, Max Lord vanishes (after getting that device from General Lane)... there's been no follow-up here, no smooth transition to a new main plot, almost like a different series altogether especially with the introduction of the alien bar, the focus on Alex (and Meggie), Mon-El, and everyone migrating either directly to the DEO like Winn or doing their own superhero-stuff (which seemed awfully contrived with James). What I liked about Supergirl was the balance between her "ordinary" life as Kara and her being Supergirl. Right now, except for Lena, everyone knows who she is, and, well, it's not even necessary for her to be "just" Kara. I liked seeing her juggle her 2 lives and all the awkwardness that ensued.

I'm also not so sure about the different romance-subplots. I like Alex's coming-out... (although it feels a bit too smooth), but Meggie (and Mon-El in Kara's case) just feels like the "romantic interest". There's not much flesh to her yet. There's at least some kind of secret around Mon-El, otherwise he'd be a rather useless character.

As for Cadmus: I understand that Alex wants her father back... but why exactly is she so trusting towards him back when he first reappeared just to steal the list? It was her that was suspicious of everyone back when Kara revealed her powers, and now she condemns everyone who has reasonable questions after the years Jeremiah presumably spent being brainwashed (and physically changed)? Mama Luthor is a bland villain without any substance... at least Lena Luthor seems interesting, and it's not sure where her character's going next. (Hopefully not in the bad girl-direction because as said before, she's the last link to see Kara in the original "not everyone knows her secret"-environment).
 
More on the "heat vision the engines" thing - even assuming such wouldn't risk detonating the fuel - they are engine exhausts, and thus designed to endure extremely high temperatures, so it's entirely possible Kara couldn't just zap them but would need prolonged beam contact... long enough for the ship to clear the atmosphere and jump to FTL.
 
Or, it's a long tradition in Superman movies and TV that he (or Supergirl) strain as much as the drama calls for and it's never consistent. It's like Trek's warp factors operating at the speed of plot.
 
More on the "heat vision the engines" thing - even assuming such wouldn't risk detonating the fuel - they are engine exhausts, and thus designed to endure extremely high temperatures, so it's entirely possible Kara couldn't just zap them but would need prolonged beam contact... long enough for the ship to clear the atmosphere and jump to FTL.

More importantly, then we wouldn't have had that great face-to-face, "You got this!" scene between Kara and Alex. (Which felt interestingly like a childbirth scene, with a woman screaming and pushing with all her might while her sister held her gaze and encouraged her lovingly. Must've been a nice change of pace for the actresses to get to play that dynamic in an action sequence instead.)
 
More on the "heat vision the engines" thing - even assuming such wouldn't risk detonating the fuel - they are engine exhausts, and thus designed to endure extremely high temperatures, so it's entirely possible Kara couldn't just zap them but would need prolonged beam contact... long enough for the ship to clear the atmosphere and jump to FTL.
Why in the world are you trying to argue real-world reasoning to a fantasy TV show action scene? There's a young alien (they don't exist) woman from a (fictional) planet who can fly pushing with an unknown impossible force, against a made-up alien spaceship driven by and even more unknown impossible force, until its engines overloaded and blew apart. Please do tell me how you know exactly how its engines work, what that detonatable fuel you're talking about is, and how the totally fictional heat beams she can project from her eyeballs (for God's sake) would have caused a problem. And why in this whole conversation it's MY offhand suggestion you're so determined to rail against.
 
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