I was thinking the same thing, minus the Kryptonian part.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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This is probably the easiest Superman villian to imagine could have previously met Superman even if it's not mentioned. Without Jimmy in the episode at all there was no discussion if Clark had encountered Mxyzptlk or something similar in the past. Even Mxy dressing up like him shows he knows of Superman. Plus usually the damages he causes are undone when he is sent home. Memories could be undone too.
I think this is the first time the idea that Imps from the 5th dimension can physically be killed has ever been suggested! Though I wonder if that was more BS from Mon-El. Like we know is background. Speaking of which, anyone thinking Mon-El is not his real name? If Teri Hatcher and Kevin Sorbo are playing his parents I highly doubt their last name is El.
I think this is the first time the idea that Imps from the 5th dimension can physically be killed has ever been suggested! Though I wonder if that was more BS from Mon-El. Like we know is background. Speaking of which, anyone thinking Mon-El is not his real name? If Teri Hatcher and Kevin Sorbo are playing his parents I highly doubt their last name is El.
Ok, I'm still going through the episode, but as a Legion of Superheroes fan I have to say this: screw you, whatever doofus wrote this scene with winn and the alien woman. In case people don't know, Starhaven (the place the alien woman says she's from) is the birthplace of the Legionaire Dawnstar. its inhabitants look something like this:
They are literally humans (specifically humans of native american decent) with wings. Post Crisis they were basically native americans moved to Starhaven and tampered with at some point in the past (like what the preservers did in Star Trek, but with added genetic manipulation). Even pre-crisis they were humans who migrated to the planet. There are probably dozens if not hundreds of planet names from DC comics Supergirl could have used. But, they went with a planet whose inhabitants are well established, and they don't look like vampires from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This is apparently the second time Supergirl has done this (I didn't watch the first season episode Starhaven was apparently mentioned in before). This is just stupid. If they just want a little easter egg reference, why use a planet that has a solid connection to a DC character and is nothing like the planet they're talking about?
At this rate, I can't wait until they make people from Winath into talking pterodactyls, or people from Colu into blue skinned imbeciles. You can argue this isn't a huge deal, but its such a specific screw up. They had to know the name in the first place to reference it, and how do you learn about Starhaven from DC comics without knowing about Dawnstar? Its like they're actively screwing around with comic fans.
This episode has already kind of lost me by making Mxy into some generic CW "pretty boy". Its now actively antagonizing me as a Legion fan. It feels like a standard Season 1 episode all over again (aka a pile of garbage), just without Cat Grant.
They are literally humans (specifically humans of native american decent) with wings. Post Crisis they were basically native americans moved to Starhaven and tampered with at some point in the past (like what the preservers did in Star Trek, but with added genetic manipulation). Even pre-crisis they were humans who migrated to the planet. There are probably dozens if not hundreds of planet names from DC comics Supergirl could have used. But, they went with a planet whose inhabitants are well established, and they don't look like vampires from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This is apparently the second time Supergirl has done this (I didn't watch the first season episode Starhaven was apparently mentioned in before). This is just stupid. If they just want a little easter egg reference, why use a planet that has a solid connection to a DC character and is nothing like the planet they're talking about?
At this rate, I can't wait until they make people from Winath into talking pterodactyls, or people from Colu into blue skinned imbeciles. You can argue this isn't a huge deal, but its such a specific screw up. They had to know the name in the first place to reference it, and how do you learn about Starhaven from DC comics without knowing about Dawnstar? Its like they're actively screwing around with comic fans.
This episode has already kind of lost me by making Mxy into some generic CW "pretty boy". Its now actively antagonizing me as a Legion fan. It feels like a standard Season 1 episode all over again (aka a pile of garbage), just without Cat Grant.
Ok, I'm still going through the episode, but as a Legion of Superheroes fan I have to say this: screw you, whatever doofus wrote this scene with winn and the alien woman. In case people don't know, Starhaven (the place the alien woman says she's from) is the birthplace of the Legionaire Dawnstar. its inhabitants look something like this:
They are literally humans (specifically humans of native american decent) with wings. Post Crisis they were basically native americans moved to Starhaven and tampered with at some point in the past (like what the preservers did in Star Trek, but with added genetic manipulation). Even pre-crisis they were humans who migrated to the planet. There are probably dozens if not hundreds of planet names from DC comics Supergirl could have used. But, they went with a planet whose inhabitants are well established, and they don't look like vampires from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This is apparently the second time Supergirl has done this (I didn't watch the first season episode Starhaven was apparently mentioned in before). This is just stupid. If they just want a little easter egg reference, why use a planet that has a solid connection to a DC character and is nothing like the planet they're talking about?
At this rate, I can't wait until they make people from Winath into talking pterodactyls, or people from Colu into blue skinned imbeciles. You can argue this isn't a huge deal, but its such a specific screw up. They had to know the name in the first place to reference it, and how do you learn about Starhaven from DC comics without knowing about Dawnstar? Its like they're actively screwing around with comic fans.
This episode has already kind of lost me by making Mxy into some generic CW "pretty boy". Its now actively antagonizing me as a Legion fan. It feels like a standard Season 1 episode all over again (aka a pile of garbage), just without Cat Grant.
The "doofuses" you're disparaging are Jessica Queller and Sterling Gates (the latter being one of the only people who could accurately be described as a Supergirl expert, and someone who's more than familiar with all aspects of DC Comics), so "get off your high horse" and just accept that none of these shows are going to be 100% comic-accurate, nor should they be expected to be.
Also, regarding Mxy, there was very little chance that he was ever going to look like a "little person" with an outsized head, not only because of the fact that Supergirl IS a CW series, but also because of the fact that they needed the character to be taken seriously, which would be really hard if he had his comic appearance.
I don't remember if we saw what Alphonse Luzano looked like without his "human" disguise on, but they did at the very least establish that he was in fact alien and not human, even if he looked human, which is not by any means a problem.
Then why use the damn name? Its too obscure for non-comic fans to know, so literally the only people that would care enough to enjoy the reference are the people who knows its completely wrong. So, its either stupidity or trying to actively screw with the fans. There is no other reason to go out of their way to get a reference wrong.
Also, Sterling gates wrote 25 issues of a (from what I remember of the reviews I've seen) poorly received Supergirl run. That definitely doesn't make him an expert, and this episode proves that he isn't. He certainly doesn't know much about Mxy. I'm willing to share the blame for Starhaven with the general Supergirl people in charge, since they screwed up in season 1, but saying Gates is an expert on anything is still ridiculous.
The Flash has King Shark and Gorilla Grodd. They can't say that Mxy "can't be taken seriously" after that. This isn't the freaking Nolan or Snyder-verse, its not "grounded". If they're literally making a character that has no relation to Mxy outside of the name, they shouldn't use the character. To be fair, The Flash has the same problem (like their BS versions of Atom Smasher, Dr. alchemy and Dr. Light), but that doesn't make Supergirl doing it any better. Bare minimum he shouldn't have been a "pretty boy". He could still be a human looking without being cast as standard CW actor #45c.
"Hey McGurk! Has anyone seen my friend, McGurk?"
@kirk55555 It's not "getting a reference wrong"; it's establishing a different take on the Starhavenites than what's in the comics.
It's not the writers' fault that you can't accept that.
It's not the writers' fault that you can't accept that.
You still haven't bothered to come up with a reason they'd even do that, so I'm sticking with stupidity or purposeful antagonism. You don't make an obscure reference and then do it wrong as a way of "establishing a different take". If they wanted their own take, they'd make up the planet name completely, or use one of the huge number of DC comics planet names that aren't completely incompatible with what they're doing. I hope to god these idiots never get closer to the Legion then that stupid reference to the flight ring.
Anyway, I'm still going through the episode. Its so bad so far that I'm legitimately wishing Cat Grant would show up to do one of her patented Season 1 irritating scenes just to spare me from the downright insultingly bad Mxy stuff. As someone who legitimately loathed season 1 of Supergirl, dropping it completely right before the terrible take on a Red Kryptonite story, making me wish I was watching an episode of that season over this is a freaking accomplishment. Not a good one, but impressive. in general this season has made Supergirl into a show I not only watch but enjoy fairly well. This episode alone won't change that, but its pretty much already won the title of "worst episode of a Berlantiverse show" from me, and I'm not even done with this episode yet.
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Because they can, and because they wanted to.
Also, establishing Starhavenites as explicitly alien - and now showing us that they LOOK alien in their "natural" form helps expand their version of the Super-mythos and add to and enrich their world.
You're being extremely hostile towards these writers for no reason whatsoever, which leads me to ask the same question of you that I asked of @TREK_GOD_1: Why do you even watch this show?
So, again, why would they do this if its not stupidity or outright attempting to antagonize fans? With so many options, why a well established planet from Legion of Superheroes? The only reasons this could possibly have happened are all bad reasons, especially with so many planets available for them to name drop.
As for why do I watch it? Because, while season 1 is one of the worst superhero shows ever made in my opinion, season 2 has been solid. I've enjoyed most of it. it took the worst recurring elements of Season 1 (Cat, Maxwell Lord, Lucy Lane and the Kara/Jimmy romance) and jettisoned it. in its place is (generally speaking) much better writing, and its even made me care about the main cast beyond Kara and J'onn. Its a solid show when its not giving the middle finger to fans of the comics. I mean, its far from flawless (I rank it as the third best CW show, slightly above Arrow), but its generally entertaining and fairly well done.
That's why this episode pissed me off so much, because the show won me over after a bad start. I wouldn't be angry if I didn't care. Well, ok, I'd still be a bit angry, but I wouldn't bother going on about it if I didn't generally like the show. Its not like I've done too much complaining (certainly not as much as some people) this season, this is just a special case.
Anyway, I finished the episode. its bullshit. mxy has no rules about saving or not saving people. He should have just snapped his fingers and disabled the bomb. Winn and the alien from fake Starhaven's scenes were all pointless, hopefully she doesn't keep showing up. Maggie's backstory felt a bit like a retcon and a bit too much like it was done for some cheap drama (if it hadn't been specifically connected to Valentine's day it probably wouldn't have felt that way).
The "action" scenes with Mxy were pathetic. Supergirl's way of beating him was contrived and easily the worst way I've ever seen any version of Mxy defeated. Overall this was a giant turd that also went out of its way to insult the source material in ways I didn't expect to see again in an era of comic book productions that aren't really ashamed of their roots anymore (atleast when it comes to DCTV and MCU productions). Hopefully next episode will go back to the normal quality of Season 2 episodes, and any references to the fake Starhaven are quick things I can ignore. Outside of me now never wanting to see them mention any Legion related thing ever again, this episode doesn't effect my overall opinion of the season, even though its the worst episode so far and will probably retain that title. I'm done with the episode, and I just want to pretend I didn't waste 45 minutes of my life watching it.
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It was a fun episode. Mxyztpltk was reminiscent of a younger Johnny Depp. And I was glad to see Winn dating an alien woman (besides Alex and Maggie, nobody else seems to have any time for romance, but that's about to change, it appears).
I for one miss Max, Lucy and Cat. And I'm sure the Jimmy Kara relationship will be revisited at some point. The show runners just didn't want to do it now it seems.
Yeah, what was up with that?
This episode was fun. It reminded me of the TNG Q episodes (probably the closest being QPid, which is an episode I liked) and Mxy was a really cool villain. I also really enjoyed Winn's storyline and glad he might be getting out of the "background". He needs more stuff to do. I loved that Supergirl beat Mxy at his own game instead of this big action scene. As for Sanvers, that was cute and very Valentines Day-ish. I'm glad they are happy together.
@kirk55555 You claim that you've seen improvements in Season 2 and that your opinion of the series has changed, and yet I've never seen you say ANYTHING whatsoever about the series that is positive. Every time you post, you're being critical of something or other, even though half the things you're being critical of are nonsensical and/or overblown to a tremendous degree.
It always has in the comics. That's part of the fun of the stories -- seeing all the different ways Superman has to come up with to trick Mxy into rendering his name backwards in one way or another. In Superman: The Animated Series, he once defeated Mxy by getting him to skywrite his name backwards, and another time by getting him to proofread a deliberately mistyped article and circle the typos k, l, t, p, z, y, x, and m.
Another reference to that was when Mxy called Mon-El "McGurk-El." Mxy's very first appearance had him walking around calling for someone named McGurk. (This was adapted somewhat faithfully in his S:TAS debut.)
He could've been in a human disguise in order to pass as a professor in the days before alien amnesty. Then again, if Starhaven is (or was) such a beautiful planet renowned across the galaxy, it stands to reason it would have a lot of immigrants and a multispecies population.
I dunno, I think Peter Dinklage could've pulled it off quite well, if the show had been able to get him. He can certainly play a serious menace as well as a humorous figure and a romantic figure.
I knew you would post something along those lines...and you assume too much. One might ask you why you shower this series with the kind of praise usually reserved for Citizen Kane, when the series has flaws pointed out by more than a few members in this thread. Do yourself a favor: if you do not like the review of another member, avoid it. I've certainly had to do that in the TOS movies forum, and in most threads dealing with the new DC movies.
Regarding your "as close to the silver/golden age of comics" line--that feat was accomplished with Superman the Movie, and has not been achieved by any other good comic adaptation since, considering most has been following the lead of Burton's Batman or the MCU (in one way or another). Sad thing is, the SG pilot seemed to be living up to Berlanti's admitted appreciation for the Donner film (which I detailed in the pilot review), but all of that has been kicked to the curb in favor of pushing good characters in the background, making the hero a hypocrite almost on a weekly schedule, and the endless "CW / TeenNick-ing" of the series.
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Again, you're jumping on another member for their views which are not in line with your obvious praise-filled opinion. You seem incapable of accepting the fact that others have their own point of view.
You wouldn't happen to know which STAS episodes he was in? I haven't watched the series in years, I'd like to watch those episodes again.
"Mxyzpixilated" and "Little Big Head Man" (a Bizarro/Mxy team-up).
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