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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

Yes, they didn't say zero chemistry. That are just my words. But the way they abruptly and awkwardly got rid of their relationship despite building up towards it for so long indicates to me, that they think they weren't working together at all. When they moved to the CW and the pressure from CBS to keep them together was gone, they dropped them like a hot potato. They didn't even bother to show them together for a few episodes and then break them up. They got rid of them as fast as they could. That is why I think they agreed with me, that those two have zero chemistry and there is nothing they could do, to make those two work together.

But that's not the only possible explanation. It's just the one you want to be true. Maybe they just didn't want their lead character to be defined by the pursuit of romance, because that's a cliche for a female lead. Heck, they basically said as much when Kara gave her reasons for breaking up with James -- that she wanted to focus on figuring out who she was as a professional.


I don't buy it, that it was because they wanted to focus more on Kara's development as a superhero. They did this also in season 1, but still found time for Kara/James.

Who said it was about time? That was never the issue. What they said is that it didn't feel like the right direction for the characters.

Also, her development as a superhero was the focus for season 1. The focus for season 2, again, is on her development as Kara Danvers, professional woman (reporter, as it turned out).


In addition to that it is not, like Kara doesn't have a romantic subplot going on right now. For quite some episodes we have the "will they or won't they" storyline with her and Mon-El. They even kissed already.

But that's a plot the producers decided to develop themselves. It's not something that was pushed on them by the network. That's the difference. Kara-James didn't feel right to the show's staff, because it wasn't their idea. Now they have more freedom to go where they wish, so whatever romance they decide to give Kara is their own choice.

And now in season 2 there is the badly written Guardian storyline, which came out of the blue and just doesn't fit at all in the show. Arrow is the proper place for vigilantes, not Supergirl.

I dunno... The contrast between Superman's high-flying alien powers and Batman's street-level, gadget-based vigilantism has been an ongoing dynamic in the comics for longer than probably any of us have been alive. So it's not so unreasonable to give Supergirl a vigilante foil. And having James Olsen become Guardian is kind of a suitable choice in an offbeat way, given that Guardian -- along with Cadmus -- was introduced during Jack Kirby's run on the comic Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen (where he also debuted Darkseid, the New Gods, Intergang, etc.). They're sort of merging that with Jimmy's own Silver/Bronze Age history of becoming a superhero in his own right at various times.


He had to be a hero in a costume like Superman and Supergirl, because he had a massive inferiority complex in regards to them and wanted to elevate his ego. So he goes around punching bad guys now, which he is miraculous good at despite massively lacking experience and training.

Except that this is the one adaptation that's really played up the idea of Jimmy as "Superman's pal" (most screen versions make him Clark's pal, Lois's sidekick, or Perry's protege). Implicitly, he worked alongside Superman on a lot of his cases and provided him with a lot of help, presumably in the same way he did for Kara in season 1. So it's not like he's completely devoid of experience. And he pursues superheroics instead of police or DEO work because that's the example of heroism he grew up with and aspires to emulate. It's not about ego or inferiority, it's about admiring Superman's example and wanting to do good in the same way. It's the same reason that somebody whose role model growing up was, say, a firefighter might choose to become a firefighter instead of a doctor. They both save lives, but people often prefer to follow their role models' examples.
 
Christopher is spot-on with his comments about James and what's driving his storyline.

I disagree with the idea that CBS pushed the Kara/James thing on the writers, largely because there's no evidence to support it. Based on Andrew Kreisberg's comments, what I believe happened is that when the showrunners and writers sat down to begin breaking and outlining their plans for Season 2, they realized that the James/Kara romance storyline during Season 1 hadn't been necessary even though, at the time, they thought it had been, and wasn't necessary going forward.
 
Here's a question, after conquering Mars why didn't the White Martians invade Earth? they seem like the type or are we just no concern to them.
 
Here's a question, after conquering Mars why didn't the White Martians invade Earth? they seem like the type or are we just no concern to them.

Maybe they've been regarding this Earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drawing their plans against us...
 
Maybe they've been regarding this Earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drawing their plans against us...

For all we know they tried before I guess but maybe ran into the JLA, after all Earth has been protected long before the current generation of heroes. It would be a story line I'd like to see, maybe in a crossover event and I presume most different reality's have White Martians.
 
I just assumed the White Martians' conquering the Greens was more of a personal thing, with them just wanting to be Mars' dominant race, not necessarily about wanting to take over the galaxy or other planets.
 
How did J'onn, M'gann and the killer martian in Season 1 get here anyway?

Perhaps, like Kryptonians, they can't breathe in space, so they'd need ships to get here and just don't have enough of them to mount a full-on invasion.
 
Martians are shape shifters.

Their invasion would be quiet.

They could have achieved total victory over earth centuries ago.

Also their life span, would suggest a lack of urgency and haste.
 
Martians are shape shifters.

Their invasion would be quiet.

They could have achieved total victory over earth centuries ago.

Also their life span, would suggest a lack of urgency and haste.

Admittedly my main exposure to the character have been though the Justice League cartoons so I'm not massively familiar with his comic book incarnation, but I've always been a bit unclear as to how much of J'onn's abilities are species traits and whether or not he's somehow enhanced above and beyond the norm? In JLU he's portrayed as downright indestructible, able to survive being torn in half, has strength at least on par with Diana if not quite Clark.

Is flight a natural martian ability? If so what bloody good would that decidedly low-tech looking barbwire fence do to keep his people imprisoned? I'd buy it and the idea that he's the last survivor allot more easily if J'onn were some kind of enhanced super-solder, created to combat the White Martians.
 
When he thought that M'Gann was a Green Martian, J'onn was not amazed by her identical powerset.

We saw barbed wire, but we didn't see a mechanism that was neutering their powers, which could have been telepathic, biological or technological, afterwhich barded wire would suddenly be a problem.
 
Pretty sure J'onn's abilities are meant to be typical for his kind. Maybe the "fence" enclosures were actually force field generators?
 
Or like Kryptonians it's the environment that enhances them somehow?
Other environments are not that healthy for him, like the slaver's moon.
Maybe it wasn't just toxic for him, but being away from Earth's atmosphere diminishes his powers.
 
Or like Kryptonians it's the environment that enhances them somehow?
Other environments are not that healthy for him, like the slaver's moon.
Maybe it wasn't just toxic for him, but being away from Earth's atmosphere diminishes his powers.

No, his powers aren't connected to being on Earth; that's why they had to concoct a specific excuse for him being unable to go to Slaver's Moon. The Martian Manhunter's powers have always been portrayed as typical for his species.
 
They could have boned at least once though. :(
Um, Kara would have either severely injured or killed him had that happened (Orgasms are an involuntary response and I doubt she could have controlled hers - altjhough there's always the chance Mr. Olsen would fail to satisfy..;))
 
When he thought that M'Gann was a Green Martian, J'onn was not amazed by her identical powerset.

We saw barbed wire, but we didn't see a mechanism that was neutering their powers, which could have been telepathic, biological or technological, afterwhich barded wire would suddenly be a problem.

Is there much of any background information on those two races in the comics? Did they ever co-exist in relative peace?
Their similar power set suggests they either have a shared heritage. But their apparently innate aggression and seemingly uniform appearance suggest to me something along the lines of a genetically engineered race that turned on their creators.

I think what got the idea of J'onn as a supersolder in my head was the way his backstory was portrayed in the cartoons. There, he and his fellow martians are portrayed fighting the white martian stand-ins (the "Imperium" IIRC) like one would expect humans to fight, On foot, with projectile weapons. No super strength, no flight, not shape shifting.

I realise this is probably one of those things inherited from the comics when "he's a martian" was sufficient explanation for all the crazy powers, but when you start to extrapolate it out to an entire civilisation, it doesn't seem to fit.
 
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