Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Christopher]

I have to admit, it took me quite a while to realize that the other woman wasn't actually Livewire. I'm not great with faces at first glance, and she had the same hair and makeup and costuming, so I didn't even realize it was a different woman. When she said "I'm not Livewire," at first I thought she was being mind-controlled by someone speaking through her. Then the Livewire-ized guard showed up and I didn't know what to make of it. It wasn't until Supergirl asked where the real Livewire was that I began to realize, "Oh, that must be the woman from the prison break!"

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

• Kara disaproving of James being Guardian feels contrived. I do hope that they aren't going to kill him off permanently.
  
• About that little chat between Kara and James in Cat's office... Someone's been reading @TREK_GOD_1 's posts.

I think the real reason why Kara disapproves of James being the Guardian is because she still has feelings for him. It would explain why she is concerned about him making a mistake and dying. She is afraid of losing him.

I still say that she will admit to still having feelings for James. It's the best explanation I can come up with. It explains why she is so worried about Guardian dying and also why she is not reciprocating Mon El's feelings.

Perhaps, but all signs point toward the continued shoehorning of Mon-El and SG as a couple. I would not be surprised if James is hurt (enough to be written out of the series) or killed, so in her "grief," SG finally runs to Mon-El. Her being worried about the risk to James could be boiled down to her being close (or used to be) to him so that's the source of her concern, instead of romantic love.

I would hope your theory is true, but the over the top way James was sidelined plus the equally over the top selling of Mon-El seems to send the idea of Kara and James reuniting up in smoke.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Perhaps, but all signs point toward the continued shoehorning of Mon-El and SG as a couple.

Maybe, it is just the writers trying to add suspense, but I don't get why Kara seems so reticent to start a relationship with Mon El. After all, he is nice, good looking, likes her, has chemistry with her and is the closest thing to an eligible Kryptonian male that Kara is going to find. It would seem like a very good match.

 

[dahj]

It would seem like a very good match.

Logic rarely enters into the domain of romantic feelings...

 

[Romulan_spy]

Logic rarely enters into the domain of romantic feelings...

I can't argue with that.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Wasn't Winn in love with Kara at some point too? But that didn't work out either.

On a side note:

http://www.eonline.com/news/825799/meet-supergirl-s-new-big-bad-teri-hatcher

 

[JD]

I saw the news about Hatcher earlier today, that's pretty cool. I wonder if we'll get any scenes with her and Dean Cain together?

 

[Cake]

I still say that she will admit to still having feelings for James. It's the best explanation I can come up with. It explains why she is so worried about Guardian dying and also why she is not reciprocating Mon El's feelings.

I really hope they won't go back to Kara/James. I thought even the writers finally admitted, that those two have zero chemistry, when they abruptly broke them up at the start of season 2, despite the build up in season 1. They tried everything in season 1, but the vibe between them was totally wrong all the time. I think because James comes across as so much older than Kara, not just optically, but also behaviour wise.

Kara/Mon-El works so much better in my opinion. They fit better together and are in my opinion far more entertaining. I also think, that Kara feels something for Mon-El, but TPTB go the slow burn route and it will take some more time until they will get together.

I really don't see Kara's concern about James as a proof of romantic feelings for him. They are good friends after all. Of course Kara is concerned, when he puts himself in so much danger. You don't have to love someone in a romantic way to be concerned about that person's safety.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Kara/Mon-El works so much better in my opinion. They fit better together and are in my opinion far more entertaining. I also think, that Kara feels something for Mon-El, but TPTB go the slow burn route and it will take some more time until they will get together.

I actually agree that they are a better fit. The writers need to stop playing around and put them together.

 

[tomalak301]

I actually agree that they are a better fit. The writers need to stop playing around and put them together.

Not only that, but it will also make this current storyline feel cheap if there is no attraction and Kara does go back to James. This show actually is doing relationship storylines better than the other DC Universe shows at the moment so I hope they don't lose that.

 

[Cake]

I actually agree that they are a better fit. The writers need to stop playing around and put them together.

I am fine with it, if they take their time, I actually prefer it. No need to hurry. It wasn't so long ago, that Kara was in love with James and Mon-El has just arrived on a new planet and needs to adjust to a lot of new things. It is fine, if they stay single for some more time.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm surprised that publicists are not trying to arrange "tame" dates with celebrities for "important" functions like charities and award shows for Supergirl?

The calls probably go through the DEO, and Alex does not pass on the messages.

 

[Christopher]

I really hope they won't go back to Kara/James. I thought even the writers finally admitted, that those two have zero chemistry, when they abruptly broke them up at the start of season 2, despite the build up in season 1.

I don't think they said "zero chemistry." They just said that the romance had been put in at the network's request, and once they changed networks and weren't subject to that note anymore, they realized it wasn't a storyline that had developed organically. Now, maybe they meant zero chemistry and were putting it diplomatically, I dunno, but all they said was that they didn't think it was the right direction for the characters. I suspect it had more to do with the writers wanting to focus on Kara's exploration of her development as a superhero and a professional and feeling that an obligatory romance subplot was a distraction.

I really don't see Kara's concern about James as a proof of romantic feelings for him. They are good friends after all. Of course Kara is concerned, when he puts himself in so much danger. You don't have to love someone in a romantic way to be concerned about that person's safety.

Quite right. I'd add that her concern is as much for Winn as for James. She considers them both her dear friends, and let's face it, she's rather gotten into the habit of saving their butts over the past year or so. In her mind, she's doing the same thing now -- protecting her danger-prone friends from one more batch of trouble they've gotten themselves into. I guess she's kind of in the same place as Joe West on The Flash was last month regarding Wally becoming Kid Flash. It took him a few weeks to get over his protective instincts and trust that his son was able to handle himself.

 

[Marc]

Quite right. I'd add that her concern is as much for Winn as for James. She considers them both her dear friends, and let's face it, she's rather gotten into the habit of saving their butts over the past year or so. In her mind, she's doing the same thing now -- protecting her danger-prone friends from one more batch of trouble they've gotten themselves into

And she wouldn't want to be in the position of having to chose between saving one of her danger prone friends or other residents of National City.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Yeah, I'm starting to get the vibe that maybe this is supposed to be a triangle and Mon is the complication relationship, while James is The One.

 

[Vendikarr]

I still say that she will admit to still having feelings for James. It's the best explanation I can come up with. It explains why she is so worried about Guardian dying and also why she is not reciprocating Mon El's feelings.

She's been against the Guardian since his debut. Unresolved feelings for James don't add up. I'm not saying the writers won't use that as an excuse but it doesn't track with what's been established.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Kara/Mon-El works so much better in my opinion. They fit better together and are in my opinion far more entertaining. I also think, that Kara feels something for Mon-El, but TPTB go the slow burn route and it will take some more time until they will get together.

Mon-El comes off as another on a long line of cookie-cutter/metro CW casting types with no depth (no matter how the story tries to apply it), as opposed to James who--early on--had a natural chemistry with Kara--and centered her, instead of tripping over himself trying to serve her / begged for attention like Winn. Mon-El is the metro version of Winn, just remove the mountain of insecurities. It is no wonder that SG/Kara's strongest character moment were in exchanges with James. He feels like a real person and not fanservice.

I really don't see Kara's concern about James as a proof of romantic feelings for him.

I doubted that too, but her backing away from Mon-El is either keeping the "will they/won't they" / "he's the boy with the hidden past" noise going, or despite the dreams of a certain part of the SG fanbase, she's not truly interested in him at all (long or short term).

 

[dahj]

Mon-El comes off as another on a long line of cookie-cutter/metro CW casting types with no depth

I think they're doing a fine job with his characterization.
Although they haven't explicitly confirmed it, he obviously comes from a carefree and extremely privileged background and his adapting to this new world and new reality makes sense. He started off selfishly, thinking only about himself and is slowly embracing his inner hero. While certainly influenced by her, that hasn't all been about just impressing Kara... he stayed at Cadmus so they wouldn't hurt Hank, and he ran into the bar to help the aliens when they were attacked by the medusa virus.

 

[Cake]

I don't think they said "zero chemistry." They just said that the romance had been put in at the network's request, and once they changed networks and weren't subject to that note anymore, they realized it wasn't a storyline that had developed organically. Now, maybe they meant zero chemistry and were putting it diplomatically, I dunno, but all they said was that they didn't think it was the right direction for the characters. I suspect it had more to do with the writers wanting to focus on Kara's exploration of her development as a superhero and a professional and feeling that an obligatory romance subplot was a distraction.

Yes, they didn't say zero chemistry. That are just my words. But the way they abruptly and awkwardly got rid of their relationship despite building up towards it for so long indicates to me, that they think they weren't working together at all. When they moved to the CW and the pressure from CBS to keep them together was gone, they dropped them like a hot potato. They didn't even bother to show them together for a few episodes and then break them up. They got rid of them as fast as they could. That is why I think they agreed with me, that those two have zero chemistry and there is nothing they could do, to make those two work together.

I don't buy it, that it was because they wanted to focus more on Kara's development as a superhero. They did this also in season 1, but still found time for Kara/James. In addition to that it is not, like Kara doesn't have a romantic subplot going on right now. For quite some episodes we have the "will they or won't they" storyline with her and Mon-El. They even kissed already.

Mon-El comes off as another on a long line of cookie-cutter/metro CW casting types with no depth (no matter how the story tries to apply it), as opposed to James who--early on--had a natural chemistry with Kara--and centered her, instead of tripped over himself trying to serve her / begged for attention like Winn. Mon-El is the metro version of Winn, just remove the mountain of insecurities. It is no wonder that SG/Kara's strongest character moment were in exchanges with James. He feels like a real person and not fanservice.

Mon-El is for sure not the most innovative character ever, but he is at least fun. James is boring, far worse written than Mon-El and played by a less charismatic actor, too. And it is of course subjective, but I felt no romantic chemistry between Kara and James at all.

It also doesn't help for my enjoyment of James in general, that he gets one crap and badly written storyline after another. In season 1 the Kara/James/Lucy love triangle story did him no favours. And now in season 2 there is the badly written Guardian storyline, which came out of the blue and just doesn't fit at all in the show. Arrow is the proper place for vigilantes, not Supergirl. If he wants to fight bad guys physically, why isn't he simply joining the DEO or become a cop? In contrast to Arrow's Star City, National City doesn't seem to be full of corrupt civil servants. He could do good like Alex and Maggie. They also made him the CEO of CatCo and he could do so much good with the influence that job brings. Cat after all did exactly that in season 1. But he acts like doing good with only words is beneath him and worthless. He had to be a hero in a costume like Superman and Supergirl, because he had a massive inferiority complex in regards to them and wanted to elevate his ego. So he goes around punching bad guys now, which he is miraculous good at despite massively lacking experience and training.

 

[Mudd]

There was probably a lot of rethinking of the show and the characters when it moved from CBS to CW. The look of the thing is certainly different - a lot more night shooting than last year, pretty typical of CW/DC. Everybody's a little edgier, although thankfully not to the degree of the CW-native shows.