Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Guy Gardener]

Kara lost her powers.

That's like if Alex's tac team,15 minutes later, had proceeded if bullets didn't work on that moon either.

They would have gone back to get usable weapons.

"Sigh"

Originally SG had a winning plan.

"Use super powers"

That plan shit the bed.

Kara needed a new plan that would win.

She did not find one.

She went in without a plan.



What Kara and Mon-El should have done.

Borrow or buy a gun or guns from that cooperative native.

Split up.

One of them find the human slaves, and the other one cripple the base by setting it on fire or causing an explosion, starting a chemical leak or crippling the power supply as a diversion, so they can all escape under the cover of a catastrophe.

You know that's the bare bones of how any one else would have handled that situation if they did not have the powers of a god, or twenty well armed soldiers behind them.

Oh

Silicates. (In the atmosphere.)

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1103-superpowerful-explosive-arrives-with-a-bang/

+

Diamonds (littered randomly everywhere Roulette said).

= TOS The Arena.

How Kirk killed that fricking Gorn.

 

[Forbin]

Probably should have left one armed strike team member with Winn to look out for him and guard the portal. Oh but wait, he needed a character building moment. :/

Alex's moment of doubt was so out-of-the-blue as to be ridiculous.

I loved "The glasses don't really help."

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Men have been doing this in movies and TV series forever, not just superheroes, but cops, firemen, regular folk, rushing into burning buildings/gunfire/earthquakes/whatever without blinking to save their friends/family/cats/the world. They're called brave, or at the very worst reckless.

Not by me.

But when women do it, they're morons and stupid?

Do you realize how that sounds?

Consistent.

This isn't the same situation, though. In that case, there were other people on the case who were more capable of helping than Alex was, so she couldn't contribute much and even impeded J'onn's ability to help. In this case, the slaves had nobody to help them except Supergirl. And she did have an advantage that they didn't, namely experience at fighting evil and staying strong in the face of danger. She let herself endure the Maaldorians' torture in order to show the other captives that you could stand up to oppression even without superpowers. She didn't do it because she thought she could save them by herself; she did it in order to inspire them to save themselves. And it worked. They rose up collectively, came to her defense, and overcame the slavers. Which is exactly what she intended the outcome to be. It was anything but stupid. It was the same calculated choice that's been made by many great fighters against oppression throughout history, people like Rosa Parks and Gandhi and that guy who stood in front of the tanks at Tiananmen Square. When oppressors use fear and force to control a population, someone needs to show them that they have to stand up and fight it anyway, no matter the cost. If they all overcome their fear and stand up as a group, they can prevail. Remember what the symbol on Supergirl's chest means: "Stronger together."

I'm not saying it's the same situation, just saying that it's wrong to claim people give Alex a pass and then jump on Kara.

 

[Christopher]

I'm not saying it's the same situation, just saying that it's wrong to claim people give Alex a pass and then jump on Kara.

The problem was that you singled out the one instance where Alex's rushing in genuinely didn't make sense, in response to JanewayRulz's comment about all of Alex's heroic actions throughout the season. Just because Alex's action in that one specific instance was foolish, that doesn't make it foolish for unpowered people to risk themselves in other contexts. It's a bad example.

 

[sojourner]

Without powers Kara is a young, inexperienced reporter. Alex without powers is still a commando/super spy/operative.

 

[dahj]

Without powers Kara is a young, inexperienced reporter. Alex without powers is still a commando/super spy/operative.

Kara has been training in the Kryptonite room at the DEO since she became Supergirl, surely she learned something useful in her powers-free state.

 

[sojourner]

Training, part time, between all her other activities. Alex is a fully trained professional.

 

[Forbin]

Alex is a fully trained professional.

...Who is unfortunately being written by people who are not.

 

[dahj]

Alex's moment of doubt was so out-of-the-blue as to be ridiculous.

Seemed very consistent with her character to me. She has always been written as hyperfocused on her work and responsibilities to the detriment of her personal life, and as overly protective of her sister.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lets talk about how unimposing the slavers are if they can be beaten by their own cattle. 30 seconds of Kryptonian super powers under a red sun is all Kara would have needed to sort this out, so how did that alien doctor get past a woman as fast as Barry Allen into the Stargate in the first place?

I don't think the slavers are are set up to handle a revolt or repel a recovery team because "intergalactically" they had the moral high ground. Legally, they still own those slaves, and should be able to back and recover them, unless Earth registers somewhere that stipulates "yes slavery is cool, but no you can't take humans without consequences". Such a registration would come with heavy registration dues and probably annual fees to maintain membership to keep Earth people off limits.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The problem was that you singled out the one instance where Alex's rushing in genuinely didn't make sense, in response to JanewayRulz's comment about all of Alex's heroic actions throughout the season. Just because Alex's action in that one specific instance was foolish, that doesn't make it foolish for unpowered people to risk themselves in other contexts. It's a bad example.

I singled out the instance the got talked about the most, but look back through the season 1 thread and you'll see Alex was called stupid quite a lot (or more accurately, the people writing her) for charging in/getting in over her head. There is no difference between the treatment of Kara and Alex here. (Kara has incidentally been in this sort of conversation before as well, it's just that the form of her alleged stupidity is usually different since she usually has powers).

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

One question.
Why was Kara's power instantly gone?
She wasn't under kryptonite influence.
Shouldn't she have her powers until she depleted the stored yellow solar power stored in her cells, like she does on Earth during night time?
Or does red star sunlight neutralize yellow sunlight?

 

[Guy Gardener]

He sunlight-stomach is tiny but efficient.

 

[Snaploud]

I have often seen red star rays portrayed as actively disrupting Kryptonian powers. The effect is definitely more than just the absence of yellow sunlight.

 

[Commander Richard]

One question.
Why was Kara's power instantly gone?
She wasn't under kryptonite influence.
Shouldn't she have her powers until she depleted the stored yellow solar power stored in her cells, like she does on Earth during night time?
Or does red star sunlight neutralize yellow sunlight?

Red suns work as fast as the plot requires and when you have 45 minutes or even 2 hours to tell a story, the effects have to be quick.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Probably should have left one armed strike team member with Winn to look out for him and guard the portal. Oh but wait, he needed a character building moment. :/

Well, logically, you're right. But also, it sure would take the damper of his "I'm not a red shirt!" moment if a red shirt had to die because of him.

 

[Noname Given]

I have often seen red star rays portrayed as actively disrupting Kryptonian powers. The effect is definitely more than just the absence of yellow sunlight.

^^^
Problem is: Were that the case in the episode - then the "Yellow Sun Radiation" grenade shouldn't have worked.

 

[Snaploud]

^^^
Problem is: Were that the case in the episode - then the "Yellow Sun Radiation" grenade shouldn't have worked.

Good point.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It was night time.

There was no new red to replace the vacated red.

 

[Christopher]

Well, let's see... Krypton had a red sun, so maybe when a Kryptonian's cells are exposed to red light, they automatically reset to a normal, "resting" level of function/activity. The stored energy is there, but they can't access it, because the red sunlight has tricked them into thinking everything is normal. So simple darkness after yellow-sun exposure doesn't have the same effect.