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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

The answer is that it doesn't make sense and isn't supposed to. It's a show about an indestructible woman who defies both gravity and inertia with no apparent means of propulsion, can see though solid objects and emit focused beams of radiation out of the parts of her body that should only be for passively sensing light waves.

Relax and don't overthink it. I promise you the writers certainly aren't.
 
But it's still fun to speculate about it. Of course the basic premise is nonsense, but that doesn't mean we can't derive enjoyment from applying thought and creativity to it to see if we can come up with something that seems to work.

Besides, it's nothing the comics' writers themselves haven't done many times over the decades. A lot of Silver and Bronze Age DC comics spent a lot of time delving into the details of how the characters' powers and technologies and other defining rules operated, what their potentials and limits were. Silver Age stories couldn't be driven by violence or disturbing themes, so the writers went for worldbuilding. Trying to make sense of the nonsense of comics is a basic part of the fun of comics, both for writers and fans.
 
True...Marvel had official handbooks that specialized in trying to explain fantastic abilities with real world science.
 
Yes, the deluxe hand books were amazing.

"Whos' Who, and (it's sequel/update) Who's Who in '88" were little Golden books in comparison.

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Indeed, the very idea that Superman's powers were tied to the higher energy of a yellow star compared to a red star is a '60s retcon that added a new concept from real science to the justification of Superman's fantasy powers. Although even his original power set had been based loosely in science; Siegel & Shuster explained it in terms of Krypton being a higher-gravity planet than Earth, taking Edgar Rice Burroughs's concept that Earthman John Carter would be superstrong in the low gravity of Mars and inverting it.
 
It's the Silver/Bronze Age comics that they were following in this instance...exposure to red sun radiation would turn off a Kryptonian's powers like a light switch.
 
Did they? I recall a lot of energy from another dimension explanations.

Well, of course it was a mix of real-world science and fantasy science. Those "other-dimension" things were handwaves to acknowledge the real scientific problems with superpowers and work around them. For instance, explaining how shapeshifters violate conservation of mass by drawing matter from some other dimension. A truly unscientific approach wouldn't even mention the idea of conservation of mass. Of course most of this stuff is fanciful and impossible, but you can still approach it in a scientifically literate way by acknowledging the scientific laws and principles that would have to be worked around to make these powers possible, even if the workarounds are themselves purely imaginary. The goal of scientific literacy in speculative fiction is not to be slavishly bound by real science, it's to understand the rules of science well enough to make it sound convincing when you break them.

Chris Claremont and John Byrne were pretty good at this in X-Men. For instance, having Nightcrawler's teleportation be subject to conservation of momentum, so that he couldn't use it to save himself from falling because he'd still be falling at the same speed afterward. The ability itself was impossible, but aside from that it was bound by the normal laws of physics. And they explained the teleportation as passage through another dimension, which is itself a hypothetical scientific concept, even though it's often treated in a fanciful manner in fiction.
 
Well, of course it was a mix of real-world science and fantasy science. Those "other-dimension" things were handwaves to acknowledge the real scientific problems with superpowers and work around them. For instance, explaining how shapeshifters violate conservation of mass by drawing matter from some other dimension. A truly unscientific approach wouldn't even mention the idea of conservation of mass. Of course most of this stuff is fanciful and impossible, but you can still approach it in a scientifically literate way by acknowledging the scientific laws and principles that would have to be worked around to make these powers possible, even if the workarounds are themselves purely imaginary. The goal of scientific literacy in speculative fiction is not to be slavishly bound by real science, it's to understand the rules of science well enough to make it sound convincing when you break them.

Chris Claremont and John Byrne were pretty good at this in X-Men. For instance, having Nightcrawler's teleportation be subject to conservation of momentum, so that he couldn't use it to save himself from falling because he'd still be falling at the same speed afterward. The ability itself was impossible, but aside from that it was bound by the normal laws of physics. And they explained the teleportation as passage through another dimension, which is itself a hypothetical scientific concept, even though it's often treated in a fanciful manner in fiction.
I found Marvel's guide books to be too stat happy and about making every thing quantifiable. Suck the fun and mystery out of everything.
 
Did they? I recall a lot of energy from another dimension explanations.

The lad writing the biographies knew his ####. Peter Sanderson. His Biographies on even minor character could last from 2 to 8 pages in really small type, and the schematics for the weapons were really cool too.

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That is a lot of work to explain "Hawkeye".

Oh, and the 26 covers to the first series, were a huge jigsaw puzzle the size of a single bed.

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The lad writing the biographies knew his ####. Peter Sanderson. His Biographies on even minor character could last from 2 to 8 pages in really small type, and the schematics for the weapons were really cool too.

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That is a lot of work to explain "Hawkeye".

Oh, and the 26 covers to the first series, were a huge jigsaw puzzle the size of a single bed.

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I thought it was Elliot Brown who did the tech stuff.
 
Probably. I was talking about two things.

3 Things.

1. Sanderson did great biographies.

2. Someone did incredible schematics.

3. I'm old with a little money. Why they #### don't I own that OHTTMU super poster?
 
Sanderson was quite the archivist. His work was used in Who's Who in the DC Universe as well as the Marvel Handbook.
 
I found Marvel's guide books to be too stat happy and about making every thing quantifiable. Suck the fun and mystery out of everything.

My problem with those kinds of explanations is two-fold. One: By bending over backwards to try to make some patently impossible things marginally less impossible, all they end up doing is lampshade the impossibility. Two: The additional details about drawing energy from other dimensions and so forth often bog the super-power in so much complication that it becomes less appealing on an aesthetic level than the less realistic but straightforward take.

An example of what I mean is the old John Byrne idea that Kryptonians' superstrength is really just subconscious close-range telekinesis, which Byrne used to explain how Superman could lift, say, a building without that building falling apart under its own weight. There's an invisible TK field holding that building together, see?

It only lampshades the problem, since DC's other strong characters like Wonder Woman can *also* lift buildings without them falling apart. Are they all secretly using TK too? And the whole concept -- that Superman lifted something heavy by emitting a TK field without realizing it, and then that TK field levitated the heavy thing at the same moment his arms were making lifting motions -- is just less aesthetically satisfying than the straightforward concept that Superman lifts heavy things because he's really, really strong. It's overly complicated, messy, less resonant.
 
For instance, having Nightcrawler's teleportation be subject to conservation of momentum, so that he couldn't use it to save himself from falling because he'd still be falling at the same speed afterward.
I always had a problem with that example, because he should still be able to save himself if he teleported soon enough. If somebody pushed him off a skyscraper and he teleported after falling 10 feet, it should only be as bad as if he'd fallen 10 feet. In teleporting to the ground, he wouldn't magically gain terminal velocity if he hadn't fallen far enough to achieve it.
 
I always had a problem with that example, because he should still be able to save himself if he teleported soon enough. If somebody pushed him off a skyscraper and he teleported after falling 10 feet, it should only be as bad as if he'd fallen 10 feet. In teleporting to the ground, he wouldn't magically gain terminal velocity if he hadn't fallen far enough to achieve it.
Also if he teleported with a changed vector he could fall "up "instead.
With enough precision he could yoyo himself to a rested position eventually.
 
It only lampshades the problem, since DC's other strong characters like Wonder Woman can *also* lift buildings without them falling apart. Are they all secretly using TK too?

No matter how you slice Superman's powers, there are plenty of logic holes. For instance, flight. It's achieved by exerting a downward force to counteract gravity. So why can't Superman take whatever force he uses to levitate and direct it horizontally? He could knock bad guys down from a distance with it, say. And how come when he flies over people's heads, that force doesn't knock them down? I mean, someone standing under a helicopter when it takes off would probably feel a pretty mighty force pushing down on them.

Speaking of action and reaction, one place where the "tactile telekinesis" idea comes in handy is when Superman holds onto the bumper of a truck or the back of an airplane and keeps it from moving. That shouldn't work unless he was somehow anchored to the ground, because his mass is so much less than that of the vehicle. If he's exerting some invisible force to stay in place, that could explain it.



I always had a problem with that example, because he should still be able to save himself if he teleported soon enough. If somebody pushed him off a skyscraper and he teleported after falling 10 feet, it should only be as bad as if he'd fallen 10 feet. In teleporting to the ground, he wouldn't magically gain terminal velocity if he hadn't fallen far enough to achieve it.

Sure, but that's not the point. The example is just to illustrate that the power is subject to physics. I dealt with this in a scene in my X-Men novel Watchers on the Walls -- there was a bit where Nightcrawler had to teleport Kitty aboard the Blackbird while it was in flight, and how they dealt with the difference in momentum was something I had to address in figuring out how it would happen. I couldn't just have him teleport a stationary Kitty onto a moving aircraft and ignore the difference. Physics isn't about isolated examples, it's about universal principles that are applicable to every situation, every problem you need to solve.
 
I think I remember Nightcrawler doing that once - Bamfed from a high fall, and reappeared at ground level traveling horizontally. He had to deal with the velocity of, say, falling out of a moving car, but rolling along the ground was less injurious than splatting into it.
 
I like the suggestion from Donner's Superman, that Superman's powers come from his galaxy having a different set of physical laws.
Yeah, I'm STILL to this day wondering what physical law of Krypton's Galaxy allowed Superman to toss a physical manifestation of his <S> emblem to entangle Zod and his compatriots in Superman II :wtf:;)
 
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