He has to. You can't have Superman without Lex Luthor. Yin always has Yang.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1
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Meant to be, or might be? Things like this are rarely absolute going in. The producers want to keep their options open, to be able to go either way. So they'd want to make sure the actor would be available on a recurring basis in case they decide the first appearance worked well enough to justify more, but that's not necessarily a guarantee that there will be more.
For one thing, the specific version of Superboy being referred to here -- the Cadmus clone from the "Reign of the Supermen" storyline -- was portrayed as an older teen, more like 16, I'd say (the physiological age of the Young Justice version). More importantly, we're talking about live-action TV here. It's one thing to show a 12- or 13-year-old superhero in comics or animation, but live-action productions tend to age them up, both because it's more restrictive to work with child actors and because there are concerns with portraying child endangerment even in a fantasy context. Smallville's Clark Kent was introduced at age 15 and was played by a 24-year-old. Smallville's Superboy/Connor Kent was played by a 26-year-old.
I think he has to, otherwise who's keeping Superman too busy to help out with things like Non's army?
By the way, in rewatching the red-kryptonite episode, I was reminded of something that annoyed me in the dialogue. When Max admitted what he'd done, they were talking about how he'd put the red K next to the "satellite" on the roof of the building in hopes of killing Non when he came to check on that "satellite." I can only assume they meant "satellite dish." That's the second time I've seen a show refer to a satellite dish as a satellite (I think the first was the 2003 Ninja Turtles cartoon), and it's bizarre and irritating. That's like calling a baseball bat a baseball, or a flyswatter a fly.
I liked the scene between Cain and Young Kara, when he talks to her about her using her powers to save the car accident victims. What, Cain, she shouldn't have maybe left them to die? Pfft. What kind of super-dad are you?
I did sort of wince when he implied the world didn't need another hero as there's already a Superman. I know it wasn't intended this way but it sort of sounded like a "there's a man out there doing this, we don't need a woman too." And... the world only needs one hero at a time? Why not encourage her to keep her powers and such under wraps for now and do what Superman did and just reveal herself in adulthood or something? It just struck me as an odd point to make, but it was a nice contrast to the Jonathon Kent speech to his son in "Man of Steel."
Overall a good episode, liked seeing more of MM's backstory and the Oreos!
I did sort of wince when he implied the world didn't need another hero as there's already a Superman. I know it wasn't intended this way but it sort of sounded like a "there's a man out there doing this, we don't need a woman too." And... the world only needs one hero at a time? Why not encourage her to keep her powers and such under wraps for now and do what Superman did and just reveal herself in adulthood or something? It just struck me as an odd point to make, but it was a nice contrast to the Jonathon Kent speech to his son in "Man of Steel."
Overall a good episode, liked seeing more of MM's backstory and the Oreos!
I was thinking 14 or 15 for Superboy, fresh from Cadmus. Sixteen seems too old to me; Tim Drake wasn't that old. (He wasn't old enough for a driver's license, even though he had the Redbird car.) That said, I would be open to a late-teens Superboy.
If they do bring in the clone Superboy, I would like to see a costume either more like his early 90s costume (the leather jacket) or even his Legion of Super-Heroes costume rather than any of his more recent costumes.
I don't know, it kinda felt to me like the upshot was the same-- don't get involved the next time you see an accident, as you'll end up drawing too much attention to yourself and freaking people out.
Cain might have delivered it in a slightly softer way, but it still sounds like he was expressing the same basic concern.
Thanks to Zach Snyder, that's exactly what the Supes family are supposed to do. And heck, even when they do try to save lives, full-blown murder is perfectly all right, too.
...and that would make for a bratty Superboy.
That's the reason SG will never see a full-on Superman. The movie world is DC's "real" live action world, and they are not mixing that up with any of the TV series.
Which is something WB really needs to get-the-fuck-over. I have no idea why they think audiences can't separate the movies from the television series, when they have no trouble doing so with the animated series, the other animated series, the other other animated series, the other other other animated series, and hell, even each animated movie which only occasionally seem to be linked to one another, let alone anything else.
I did not read any implied sexism from Danvers' line at all. He was simply telling her that Superman is such a unique force, that there's no need for another. This might also be tie into...
He was doing his fatherly duty and protecting her; everyone is not going to be prepared to take up great challenges (ex. Steve Rogers), and was concerned for her safety.
MM is the best thing about this series by far.[/quote]
Then kudos to the digital effects team for making J'onn look so real.
Well, we know that Kara did suppress her abilities until last year; now we know a bit more about why. I don't think Jeremiah meant anything gendered, though. It's probably more that he knew there were agencies out there that would want to put her in a prison or a lab or something (although I think this would've been before he made his deal to work with Henshaw) and she wasn't able to handle herself against them as well as an experienced adult could.
In any case, if a live-action TV show wanted a 15-year-old Superboy, they'd probably cast an actor who was at least 18, quite possibly over 20. That's been the norm for decades, as seen with Jack Larson (24 when he started playing the teenaged Jimmy Olsen) and Burt Ward (around 20 when he began playing Robin, the Boy Wonder). Although Gotham is an interesting exception to that tradition, with actual teenagers David Mazouz and Camren Bicondova as regulars.
@Christopher:
Here's the original casting call for Young Kal-El:http://tvline.com/2015/11/24/supergirl-casting-superman-season-1-episode-13-kal-el/
The reason I think they'll bring the actor back as a teenage Superman clone is because doing so is really the only way that they can fit the character into the series organically on a recurring basis.
Regarding characters being cast significantly older than the characters they're meant to be playing, it might be "common practice" but has not been for this series, at least so far. All 3 of the young actors they've used are within one to two years of the ages of the characters they're meant to be playing, or, as in Daniel's case, right on the dot (he's 13 just like Young Kal-El).
Also, if they do bring Daniel DiMaggio back as a clone of Superman, he won't be playing the Conner Kent character; he'll be playing an "amalgam" character derived from the original Golden Age Superboy (teenage Kal-El/Clark Kent) and the Conner Kent character (clone of Superman created by Cadmus) and likely referred to by Kara (and others) as Kal-El.
Here's the original casting call for Young Kal-El:http://tvline.com/2015/11/24/supergirl-casting-superman-season-1-episode-13-kal-el/
The reason I think they'll bring the actor back as a teenage Superman clone is because doing so is really the only way that they can fit the character into the series organically on a recurring basis.
Regarding characters being cast significantly older than the characters they're meant to be playing, it might be "common practice" but has not been for this series, at least so far. All 3 of the young actors they've used are within one to two years of the ages of the characters they're meant to be playing, or, as in Daniel's case, right on the dot (he's 13 just like Young Kal-El).
Also, if they do bring Daniel DiMaggio back as a clone of Superman, he won't be playing the Conner Kent character; he'll be playing an "amalgam" character derived from the original Golden Age Superboy (teenage Kal-El/Clark Kent) and the Conner Kent character (clone of Superman created by Cadmus) and likely referred to by Kara (and others) as Kal-El.
I wasn't. It's the sort of thing that happens on film and TV all of the time.
Which says "potentially recurring role," as I thought. That doesn't mean he will recur, just that he might.
But those are characters who only occasionally appear in brief flashback scenes or dream sequences. The requirements there are very different from those for a recurring character who'd be active in the present day, let alone participating in major action/stunt sequences as a "Superboy" would be.
Which doesn't matter. A live-action television series will develop its characters based on its own needs and will use as little or as much from the source material as it deems appropriate. If they want a character to be a recurring action hero, they'll probably go for a young adult actor.
Clearly we watch different levels of quality television and films.
It may have just been a general reaction from being in unfamiliar territory and a gut reaction to seeing a snake while having some level of ophiophobia. Or maybe he's more familiar with the deadliness of lack there of for the snakes in his version of the DC universe. 
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What if he just really hated Snakes. Lots of people hate snakes, like Indiana Jones.