Super Nova that destroyed Romulus

[Nerys Myk]

The Narada was refitted with Born nanites, according to Countdown. It was also sentient like V'Ger according to the Nero comics.

This is why books and comics aren't canon.

So only stuff that makes it on screen is canon (according to you)?

@James
They couldn't reverse engineer it because it was sentient and every time the Klingons took a piece of it away it would just regrow and the part they took would become useless.

Me? No I don't have that power. That particular rule comes from Paramount and CBS.

 

[SG-17]

This is why books and comics aren't canon.

So only stuff that makes it on screen is canon (according to you)?

@James
They couldn't reverse engineer it because it was sentient and every time the Klingons took a piece of it away it would just regrow and the part they took would become useless.

Me? No I don't have that power. That particular rule comes from Paramount and CBS.

So the deleted scenes are not canon? So an unnamed Romulan ship destroyed 47 Klingon cruisers above an unnamed prison planet for no apparent reason?

 

[Nerys Myk]

So only stuff that makes it on screen is canon (according to you)?

@James
They couldn't reverse engineer it because it was sentient and every time the Klingons took a piece of it away it would just regrow and the part they took would become useless.

Me? No I don't have that power. That particular rule comes from Paramount and CBS.

So the deleted scenes are not canon? So an unnamed Romulan ship destroyed 47 Klingon cruisers above an unnamed prison planet for no apparent reason?

Not my rule. I got not say in the matter. But yeah, from the information presented the motives behind the attack on those ships was unknown at the time it was repeorted.

 

[SG-17]

But according to official canon we no nothing beyond what Uhura reported about the attack, right? Just making sure that I am getting Paramount/CBS' idea of canon right.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But according to official canon we no nothing beyond what Uhura reported about the attack, right? Just making sure that I am getting Paramount/CBS' idea of canon right.

Yeah, I don't see a real problem with it, though. It doens't take a novel length story or muti-issue comic epic for the viewer to figure out it was Nero's ship.

 

[SG-17]

Indeed, but that is not my point. My point is that the idea that some people have that if it is not on screen then it did not happen is ridiculous. To them no one in Star Trek has ever had sex, been a child, or went to any other school besides the Academy.

This is why, in my book, if it (material in books and comics) makes sense in context with (and is not contradicted by) on-screen material then it is canon to me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sex, the bathroom and those other things are not what the rule refers too. It's limited to material presented in mediums other than live action TV or film. Canon is dertermined by those in charge, not by the audience. "Personal Canon" is an oxymoron. You are free too include what you like into your "Personal Continuity" though. But remember it can always be contradicted by the next movie or episode.

 

[James Wright]

Is there anyway at all to establish whether or not the Narada was actually a sentient ship and if it does have the Borg capability to repair any damage it may suffer, how and why did Nero and his crew get caught by the Klingon's? Besides they showed up in Federation space.

James

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is there anyway at all to establish whether or not the Narada was actually a sentient ship and if it does have the Borg capability to repair any damage it may suffer, how and why did Nero and his crew get caught by the Klingon's? Besides they showed up in Federation space.

James

Unless the next movie mentions it or the writers confirm it, no.

As for the second question: Someone rammed a starship down its throat The ship was close to the Klingon border, so it drifted over. (Which is not advisable)

 

[SG-17]

Is there anyway at all to establish whether or not the Narada was actually a sentient ship and if it does have the Borg capability to repair any damage it may suffer, how and why did Nero and his crew get caught by the Klingon's? Besides they showed up in Federation space.

James

In official canon, no.

According to Nero the impact of the Kelvin damaged the Narada enough to render it helpless against a Klingon fleet. I do not remember if the Narada drifted into Klingon Space or not, but something attracted them to the Narada.

 

[The Wormhole]

Narada drifting into Klingon space makes sense, and is the only logical explanation for why the Klingons didn't bother with the shuttles from the Kelvin.

 

[JarodRussell]

Narada drifting into Klingon space makes sense, and is the only logical explanation for why the Klingons didn't bother with the shuttles from the Kelvin.

Yeah well, it was only 75,000 km away from the border...

 

[BurntSynapse]

It wouldn't drift far: 78,000 km is 1/20th of the diameter of our sun. Basically, either the Kelvin was as close to being *in* Klingon space as is possible, or the writers have nothing but contempt for logic and science. They'd probably destroy Vulcan if they could...

 

[Nerys Myk]

It wouldn't drift far: 78,000 km is 1/20th of the diameter of our sun. Basically, either the Kelvin was as close to being *in* Klingon space as is possible, or the writers have nothing but contempt for logic and science. They'd probably destroy Vulcan if they could...

Hyperbolic much?

 

[Timo]

To be sure, the movie walla says nothing about "Klingon space". It only says that "the Klingons" are 75,000 kilometers away.

Might refer to the Klingon ships that had previously been giving trouble to the Kelvin until Captain Robau gave them The Look...

I mean, it makes no sense to have the Klingon border be 75,000 kilometers away. That's like your superiors asking if it could be the East Germans shooting at you, and you say no because it's more than three and a half meters from the border... But some lesser Klingon asset, like a ship, could well be 75,000 klicks away and thus unlikely to be the cause of the space thunderstorm. Klingon weapons range in TOS was in that ballpark, at any rate.

I could easily picture a situation where Robau took his ship to investigate something interesting even though the Klingons weren't happy about it, and his crew kept tabs on those Klingon ships in case they decided to act. Who knows, perhaps the Klingons picked up the escape shuttles and brought Robau's crew to Earth (after due complications, of course)?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[BurntSynapse]

It wouldn't drift far: 78,000 km is 1/20th of the diameter of our sun. Basically, either the Kelvin was as close to being *in* Klingon space as is possible, or the writers have nothing but contempt for logic and science. They'd probably destroy Vulcan if they could...

Hyperbolic much?

In this case? I wish!

 

[James Wright]

Wuth the Kelvin being destroyed, what's to keep the Klingons from crossing into Federation space and capturing the Narada?


James

 

[The Wormhole]

the writers have nothing but contempt for logic and science.

So after galaxy-destroying supernovas, "Red Matter" creating black holes which can also be used as wormholes through time, a Space Octopus and a starship with only one nacelle, it takes this concept for you to make that statement?

Okay, meanwhile leading zeroes rape my childhood...

 

[Nerys Myk]

It wouldn't drift far: 78,000 km is 1/20th of the diameter of our sun. Basically, either the Kelvin was as close to being *in* Klingon space as is possible, or the writers have nothing but contempt for logic and science. They'd probably destroy Vulcan if they could...

Hyperbolic much?

In this case? I wish!

I find its "contempt for logic and science" on par with all of Star Trek and most filmed SF. YMMV

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wuth the Kelvin being destroyed, what's to keep the Klingons from crossing into Federation space and capturing the Narada?


James

Nothing. They might have done just that.