10 to 1 it was offered to him by Bones.Furthermore, nothing says a "rebel" like a flask of booze in a shuttle. Badass, man.
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10 to 1 it was offered to him by Bones.Furthermore, nothing says a "rebel" like a flask of booze in a shuttle. Badass, man.
I sincerely hope so.
It does not particularly "okay" for him to have it either, but Kirk having it would add to this whole young hip rebel thing he seems to have going in this movie, which I find nauseatingly lame.
Verily. Well struck, sirrah.
Better than "fine." Pine delivered that line more naturally than about 95% of prior Trek actors would have been able to. That gets my vote.
So you want people in this movie to talk like what? Computers? Data? Spock? That'll go over well.
The people in the original series talked like 60's-era sci-fi actors. Was that any better?
I believe that was DS9Sega's point.
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The positively grim Kirk who let Finnegan bother him doesn't sound like the womanizing Kirk who got a woman pregnant and agreed to stay clear of her and his child and not take responsibility. It also doesn't sound like the Kirk who'd have the balls to cheat on an exam for whatever good reason. As Carol Marcus said, he was no Boy Scout.
In other words, even the TV show and movies tend to paint Kirk in two ways: stack of books on legs v. no Boy Scout.
Except for that annoying part, that you're talking about two different eras. The blonde lab assistant he almost married was in his lieutenant teaching years.
Getting bullied by Finnegan in contrast, was in his early cadet years; lots of time in between.
Indeed, Kirk took the Kobayashi Maru scenario multiple times before he finally "cheated", not because he wanted to win, or because he was "no boy scout", but because he refused to accept a no win scenario.
It seems more like his cheating to win the no win scenario is one of the major turning points. In fact, if Finegan wasn't the only one against him, there were admirals and lieutenants and commanders who didn't like the fact he had some sponsor and he wasn't the brightest, or the fastest, or the strongest; yet he wanted to be a captain; getting to that captainship would be something those people would do their level best to turn into a no win scenario. But Kirk refuses to give up, slowly growing a spine to talk back to those he can in the process - becoming less and less of a boyscout.
Then he suddenly gets put through an actual no win scenario. I wouldn't be surprised if beating that scenario would become a stand in for the captaincy of a ship. I he can beat this no win scenario, Finnegan and his ilk would never be able to stop him. The first major step toward his ultimate goal. Which would eventually lead him to cheat.
It would be a hell of interesting story and growth to watch; as opposed to a cliched ridden, contemporary standard operating procedure, of the misfit correcting his behavior becuase he comes in contact with all his good people - his destined crew, he entered the academy before he did, yet are younger than him, and crew the ship under his command, you see - because it's their destiny indeed, the chosen few.
Boring, seen that only a 1,000 times in the past few years, and a few million in the past 20. Say, couldn't we have had something new, fresh, not cliched ridden for a change?
D'oh!
Ten pages in and the line of dialogue is still being debated. I may have to avoid this forum until May 
Better than "fine." Pine delivered that line more naturally than about 95% of prior Trek actors would have been able to. That gets my vote.
Agreed. And when you actually look at what he says, it's hard to see what the problem is. I can only assume people are taking offense to the usage of "man". "Why are you talking to me.." is a clearly reasonable thing for anytime period, so it must be "man".
"My god man..." Doesn't anyone watch Star Trek?! If they did, they'd realize "man" already exists in the future lexicon of Trek.
Better than "fine." Pine delivered that line more naturally than about 95% of prior Trek actors would have been able to. That gets my vote.
Well there is that.
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the trailer starts off good but then just cuts off when it hits the 30 second point. Almost like they cut it to be a longer trailer than realized, "oh no, time limit!"
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There is nothing established onscreen to confirm that your post is nothing more than an opinion, not fact.And how do you really know that? That's right, you DON'T!
The positively grim Kirk who let Finnegan bother him doesn't sound like the womanizing Kirk who got a woman pregnant and agreed to stay clear of her and his child and not take responsibility. It also doesn't sound like the Kirk who'd have the balls to cheat on an exam for whatever good reason. As Carol Marcus said, he was no Boy Scout.
In other words, even the TV show and movies tend to paint Kirk in two ways: stack of books on legs v. no Boy Scout.
Except for that annoying part, that you're talking about two different eras. The blonde lab assistant he almost married was in his lieutenant teaching years.
Getting bullied by Finnegan in contrast, was in his early cadet years; lots of time in between.
Indeed, Kirk took the Kobayashi Maru scenario multiple times before he finally "cheated", not because he wanted to win, or because he was "no boy scout", but because he refused to accept a no win scenario.
It seems more like his cheating to win the no win scenario is one of the major turning points. In fact, if Finegan wasn't the only one against him, there were admirals and lieutenants and commanders who didn't like the fact he had some sponsor and he wasn't the brightest, or the fastest, or the strongest; yet he wanted to be a captain; getting to that captainship would be something those people would do their level best to turn into a no win scenario. But Kirk refuses to give up, slowly growing a spine to talk back to those he can in the process - becoming less and less of a boyscout.
Then he suddenly gets put through an actual no win scenario. I wouldn't be surprised if beating that scenario would become a stand in for the captaincy of a ship. I he can beat this no win scenario, Finnegan and his ilk would never be able to stop him. The first major step toward his ultimate goal. Which would eventually lead him to cheat.
It would be a hell of interesting story and growth to watch; as opposed to a cliched ridden, contemporary standard operating procedure, of the misfit correcting his behavior becuase he comes in contact with all his good people - his destined crew, he entered the academy before he did, yet are younger than him, and crew the ship under his command, you see - because it's their destiny indeed, the chosen few.
Boring, seen that only a 1,000 times in the past few years, and a few million in the past 20. Say, couldn't we have had something new, fresh, not cliched ridden for a change?
You're entitled to it. But that doesn't mean that it's so. Yours is merely an interpretation, and not one that many share.
Bones McCoy, ST 4 TVH: "My god man, drilling holes in his head isn't the answer! ..." 
10 to 1 it was offered to him by Bones.Furthermore, nothing says a "rebel" like a flask of booze in a shuttle. Badass, man.
That would fit with prior TOS history between the characters.
Man I love Orci/Kurtzman.
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