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[Admiral Buzzkill]

I have to say, I love the rendition of San Francisco... THAT is how it looks in real life... gray... the city is known for its fog, dampness, and gray weather... if anything, the bright and sunny views we always got on TNG of the city were out of the norm... so I hope we see some real San Fran weather in the film.

Yep. A little bit more realism in Trek - local weather.

Kirk is a remarkably well-educated and thoughtful man - a student of history and classic literature, with a scientific education and turn of mind that enables him to understand "fantastical" situations and Spock's (supposedly) brilliant reasoning intuitively. This is one of the aspects of Kirk's character that Orci, for one, has made clear that he gets. Orci's a more observant Trek fan than most of the insistent Protectors of the True Faith who are sometimes rampant on the Internet.

 

[Jimmy_C]

^ Hard to imagine somebody who spouts lines like that could ever become a "stack of books with legs" at the Academy. Although maybe it's a testament to the ultimate effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous in Trek's time.

Gary also called him James "R." Kirk. I think we can take much of what he says with a grain of salt. Hell, it is very possible that he was joking to kid his friend.

 

[number6]

^ Hard to imagine somebody who spouts lines like that could ever become a "stack of books with legs" at the Academy. Although maybe it's a testament to the ultimate effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous in Trek's time.

Gary also called him James "R." Kirk. I think we can take much of what he says with a grain of salt. Hell, it is very possible that he was joking to kid his friend.

Gary Mitchell also spouted lines like, "Hey, man..I remember you back at the academy."

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Gary Mitchell also spouted lines like, "Hey, man..I remember you back at the academy."

That's different. It's normal for Gary to talk like that, it's the kind of person he was.

 

[number6]

Gary Mitchell also spouted lines like, "Hey, man..I remember you back at the academy."

That's different. It's normal for Gary to talk like that, it's the kind of person he was.

Well.. It's different here too. Young Kirk seems to be talking like that.

 

[stonester1]

"Stack of books with legs", but then said "Watch out for Lt. Kirk! In his class, you either think...or SINK!". I've always been under the impression that that was referring to when Mitchell was a cadet and Kirk was a young officer doing time at the academy as an officer-instructor. Why are fellow cadets going to fear another cadet academically? Further, cadets aren't Lieutenants.

I've always thought Kirk was an ambitious guy who pushed boundaries and rabble roused as a cadet. But early experiences as an officer drove him in a far more serious direction. Which would put his much more serious and studious, disciplined manner when he came back to do a tour at the Academy in a more logical context.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

In real life, doesn't military training often turn a "boisterous" person into a more focused and respectful person? I know a couple of guys who went through miltary academies (one at the Air Force Academy and one at Annapolis) and it seemed to me they were "changed for the better" after their academy experiences (plus they were also older after they graduated than they were before they got in).

So why do some find it so unbelievable that young rabble-rousing Kirk doesn't get an "attitude adjustment" during his academy traing that turns him into a bit more of a focused individual?

I have no problem imagining that the same guy who gets into bar fights goes on to later become "Lieutenant Kirk -- a stack of books with legs" as an instructor at the Academy.

 

[Devon]

In real life, doesn't military training often turn a "boisterous" person into a more focused and respectful person? I know a couple of guys who went through miltary academies (one at the Air Force Academy and one at Anapolis) and it seemed to me they were "changed for the better" after their academy experiences (plus they were also older after they graduated than they were before they got in).

So why do some find it so unbelievable that young rabble-rousing Kirk doesn't get an "attitude adjustment" during his academy traing that turns him into a bit more of a focused individual?

I have no problem imagining that the same guy who gets into bar fights goes on to later become "Lieutenant Kirk -- a stack of books with legs" as an instructor at the Academy.

You bring up a very good point.

I'm reminded of the U.S. Army recruiting commercials that aired a few years ago. It was just the dad and he said "You know when you came home... you shook my hand, you looked me straight in the eye, and you called me 'Sir.' You had never done that before."

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^
^^ Yeah...

...I suppose some would argue that is just a TV commercial trying to "sell" the military, but my experience with a few acquaintences seems to back up the sentiment that military training could be a "maturizing" experience.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Gary Mitchell also spouted lines like, "Hey, man..I remember you back at the academy."

That's different. It's normal for Gary to talk like that, it's the kind of person he was.

This is a really, really thin complaint. There's no good reason at all to insist that as a youngster Kirk would not have used colloquialisms like "man." In fact, the objection boils down to nothing more than "I haven't heard him do it before."

 

[3D Master]

So why do some find it so unbelievable that young rabble-rousing Kirk doesn't get an "attitude adjustment" during his academy traing that turns him into a bit more of a focused individual?

I have no problem imagining that the same guy who gets into bar fights goes on to later become "Lieutenant Kirk -- a stack of books with legs" as an instructor at the Academy.

Kirk is not supposed to be rabble-rousing. He's got to little teeth to protect himself from Finnegan when he's at the academy. Which this rabble-rousing Kirk would never be.

 

[number6]

So why do some find it so unbelievable that young rabble-rousing Kirk doesn't get an "attitude adjustment" during his academy traing that turns him into a bit more of a focused individual?

I have no problem imagining that the same guy who gets into bar fights goes on to later become "Lieutenant Kirk -- a stack of books with legs" as an instructor at the Academy.

Kirk is not supposed to be rabble-rousing. He's got to little teeth to protect himself from Finnegan when he's at the academy. Which this rabble-rousing Kirk would never be.

And how do you really know that? That's right, you DON'T!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Then again, we don't know exactly how Kirk dealt with Finnegan. Kirk could have been a wimp and actually let Finnegan push him around. In fact I think this likely - it was only in "Shore Leave" that Kirk ever fought back. It is heavily implied that IRL, Kirk didn't do anything, he just let Finnegan bully him. It was only later that Kirk got the chance to beat Finnegan up (illusory though it was).

 

[Franklin]

So why do some find it so unbelievable that young rabble-rousing Kirk doesn't get an "attitude adjustment" during his academy traing that turns him into a bit more of a focused individual?

I have no problem imagining that the same guy who gets into bar fights goes on to later become "Lieutenant Kirk -- a stack of books with legs" as an instructor at the Academy.

Kirk is not supposed to be rabble-rousing. He's got to little teeth to protect himself from Finnegan when he's at the academy. Which this rabble-rousing Kirk would never be.

And how do you really know that? That's right, you DON'T!

The positively grim Kirk who let Finnegan bother him doesn't sound like the womanizing Kirk who got a woman pregnant and agreed to stay clear of her and his child and not take responsibility. It also doesn't sound like the Kirk who'd have the balls to cheat on an exam for whatever good reason. As Carol Marcus said, he was no Boy Scout.
In other words, even the TV show and movies tend to paint Kirk in two ways: stack of books on legs v. no Boy Scout.

 

[shapeshifter]

Woo Hoo!

That's Woo Hoo Hoo! sir.... don't mess with canon

If we are getting technical, it's: Woooooooo Hoo-Hoo!

 

[Ssosmcin]

Woo Hoo!

YIPEE!

 

[Longinus]

"Why are you talking to me, man ?" was cringeworthy. It was not only what he said, but how he said it. I bet he says "dude" as well. 'Cause, you know, that's how cool kids talk.

But what do I know, I bet there are a lot of people who think that teen Anakin in SW prequels was cool as well. Besides, CGI and explosions! It got to be good!

 

[JuanBolio]

"Why are you talking to me, man ?" was cringeworthy. It was not only what he said, but how he said it. I bet he says "dude" as well. 'Cause, you know, that's how cool kids talk.

But what do I know, I bet there are a lot of people who think that teen Anakin in SW prequels was cool as well. Besides, CGI and explosions! It got to be good!

I think it was spot-on for a guy in his early 20's. Wasn't cringe-worthy at all. Your comparison to Anakin is ridiculous.

 

[trevanian]

"Why are you talking to me, man ?" was cringeworthy. It was not only what he said, but how he said it. I bet he says "dude" as well. 'Cause, you know, that's how cool kids talk.

But what do I know, I bet there are a lot of people who think that teen Anakin in SW prequels was cool as well. Besides, CGI and explosions! It got to be good!

I think it was spot-on for a guy in his early 20's. Wasn't cringe-worthy at all. Your comparison to Anakin is ridiculous.

You call him Annie, dollface.

 

[Longinus]

Furthermore, nothing says a "rebel" like a flask of booze in a shuttle. Badass, man.