Sulu and Chekov, not in Space Seed

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Keith1701, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    May 12, 2004
    Lancaster, PA

    Yep, and I borrowed that for To Reign in Hell, where Chekov is the last person to say goodbye to Marla, whom he'd always had a bit of a crush on . . . .
  2. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    ...There's quite a bit of tragicomic potential in a crush that goes unreciprocated because the object of desire requires any beau-hopeful to be nothing short of a superman! Subjecting poor young Chekov to this cruelty is just about the perfect choice. :devil:

    There's also good drama in placing the still rather junior Chekov aboard the Reliant: the TOS character there needs to be a meek victim to Khan, rather than a plausible challenger - and also something of an unquestioning lackey so that the very concept of Genesis does not launch him or her into ethical self-doubt and action immediately. Yes, Scotty might have had an ethical blind spot with a miracle of engineering, but Chekov is the likelier by-the-book, his-not-to-ask-why officer to do the Marcuses' bidding. And making Uhura a victim and then a traitor might have been unpalatable for a variety of reasons.

    Swapping Chekov and Sulu would again have been an option, though. But, as pointed out, not an improvement in terms of "plot holes".

    Timo Saloniemi
  3. YARN

    YARN Fleet Captain

    Aug 8, 2010
    Just a testament to how awesome Khan's memory is; He remembered someone who wasn't even there! Or rather, he remembered a minor person shuffling around in the background whom we didn't even see in the episode.
  4. Jonas Grumby

    Jonas Grumby Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 24, 2002
    Somewhere in the South Pacific
    I heard there was a scene cut from "Space Seed" that explained how Khan remembers Chekov so well:

    Chekov (entering transporter room where Khan and Marla McGivers are waiting): "Keptin Kirk asked me to take care of beaming you down to Alpha Ceti 5."
    Khan: "I should be insulted that your captain sends a mere menial to see us off!"
    Chekov (clearly insulted): "Nevertheless, I am ready to transport, if you vill just step onto the platform."
    Khan: "And what about our supplies?"
    Chekov: "I vill beam them down immediately afterward."
    Khan: "Make certain you do not forget the coffee and cigarettes!"
    Chekov (sotto voce to himself while smiling): "Yeah, right, asshole."

    Last edited: Jun 13, 2013
  5. MikeS

    MikeS Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 6, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Slightly off-topic. I find it interesting to see how many posters don't bother to read the thread and/or have a slightly inflated sense of self-importance regarding their own contributions. The "bathroom explanation" has now been refered to four times in this thread. Each new reference implying that it is a lesser known theory that hasn't been heard of before.

    I'm sure there's a thesis here.
  6. T'Girl

    T'Girl Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 20, 2009
    Why the assumption that all of Khan's frozen "followers" were adults? In Space Seed, we saw a hand full of adult males, and Scotty reported that thirty of the followers were women.

    And not all the followers on the Reliant were in their twenties, there was another man approximately Khan's age also on the bridge.

    Timo, have you considered that the some of the people in the suspended animation chambers could have been children, most being pre-adolescent? This would account for the twenty-something characters we saw on the bridge.

    SCOTT: ...and they're mixed types. Western, mid-European, Latin, Oriental. [later] Twelve units have malfunctioned, leaving seventy two still operating. Thirty of those are women.

  7. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    In the cryotubes aboard the Botany Bay, we clearly see three men and two women, all adults, and glimpse four others who seem to be of approximately adult size, putting them in their late teens at least. Later, when Khan revives his people, we see four adult men and three adult women (though the blonde in the back looks kind of teenagerish). We also see four men, probably the same four, with him in engineering.

    Spock said that after the war, "there were some eighty or ninety of these young supermen unaccounted for when they were finally defeated." I suppose he could've been counting children, but they would've had to be preadolescent when they fled. Not out of the question, I guess. But it's annoying that the inconsistency exists in the first place.