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Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion

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Kor said:
The fact that rottentomatoes shows an audience score of 63% but a critic score of 26% shows how movie critics up in their ivory tower are just out of touch with the real world of entertainment.
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Or the people who would have lowered that percentage with their grade didn't see the movie because they listened to the critics thus allowing the percentage to increase by people who may not evaluate their movie going experience the same way.

63% still isn't a grade I would have showed off if any of my papers came back with that on it, regardless.
 
63% is a 2:1 grade and perfectly acceptable. Hell, my degree score was around that number.
 
In the grading system used when and where I was going through the school system, 63% would have been a D-. Anything blow 60% was considered an "F".
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
Or the people who would have lowered that percentage with their grade didn't see the movie because they listened to the critics thus allowing the percentage to increase by people who may not evaluate their movie going experience the same way.
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What about all those people who could have liked SS (and given it a higher score) but didn't went to see it because of the critics' low score? Or all those that went to see SS and liked it but gave it an average score because they were affected by the negative reviews?

Of course these are all guesses from our part. The facts are that Suicide Squad had a 746 million dollar worldwide box office run and has just won an Academy Award for best makeup and hairstyling.
 
M.A.C.O. said:
David Ayer teasing Black Mask for the GCS movie.
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That seems like an appropriate villain, and nowhere near the "end of the world" level, which is a good sign ;)

With Catwoman, Black Mask and the "mob boss" version of the Joker this could be an interesting gangster war type movie...
 
I originally gave my theatrical experience for SS a C- and that still stands. However, after finally watching the home video version, which allows captioning and replaying as needed to penetrate my thick skull, I see it really is a better film than I thought based on the theatrical experience.

I actually like it best of all the DCEU films so far and my hopes for the series moving forward are greatly renewed.
 
I watched the extended version of SS at home. I couldn't tell which parts were different.

Kor
 
Kor said:
I watched the extended version of SS at home. I couldn't tell which parts were different.

Kor
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There's only 8 minutes of added scenes. Most of them were extended Harley flashbacks or Harley speaking to the other squad members. Like when Harley uses her psychiatric training to discern what each Squad member is feeling. Notably Katana, when she says she's not hiding from anything.
 
M.A.C.O. said:
David Ayer teasing Black Mask for the GCS movie.

https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/836361383436431360
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dodge said:
That seems like an appropriate villain, and nowhere near the "end of the world" level, which is a good sign ;)

With Catwoman, Black Mask and the "mob boss" version of the Joker this could be an interesting gangster war type movie...
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Yeah, hopefully this means he learned from the mistake he even admits he made with Suicide Squad.
 
Just watched this film... meh. Makeup and effects were great, screenplay as a whole had promise but just didn't make it interesting. Best parts were Harley's jokes and comments. I did like the depth to Deadshot.. good to see he had more than one dimension as just a perfect firearms hitman. El Diablo was this way as well, well acted and the character had a lot of emotion and depth; even Harley Quinn had some layer of tragedy about her. Didn't give two $hits about anyone else. Jered Leto as the Joker looked so great in the trailers, actual portrayal, mediocre at best.

The Enchantress as antagonist was weakly done.. and felt forced and rushed at the same time. Could have developed that more.

Overall, I was bored most of the time, but kept watching to hear what might came next out of Harley Quinn's mouth thanks to her delightfully witty psychosis. C- or so.
 
It was kind of amusing, post-Wonder Woman, to go back and re-read all these posts claiming that Marvel Studios films only get positive ratings from critics because of the logo and DC Extended Universe movies only get negative scores because of their logo.

Interesting side-note to the "Marvel movies are unfairly rated higher because of the logo" complaint: Wonder Woman and Spider-Man: Homecoming have identical Rotten Tomatoes scores from both critics and audience appreciation, but Wonder Woman has a worldwide gross of $795,388,018 to Spider-Man: Homecoming's $676,764,091 -- $118,623,927 more to Wonder Woman, which was, in my view, a better film.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Well, Sony paid the bills, but Marvel was given 100% creative control over the movie (Sony did have the power of final veto, but it was never used because they're not stupid), so I'd still say it qualified as a "Marvel movie".
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And you'd be wrong.

Spider-Man Homecoming is no more a "Marvel movie" than Batman Begins is a "Legendary Pictures movie"; Marvel Studios was the "secondary production house" on SM:H; Sony financed the film, distributed it, and hired Kevin Feige to produce it alongside Amy Pascal; Feige then brought in his Marvel Studios team to help make the film, just as any producer might hire people he or she is familiar and comfortable with to work on any film that he/she is involved with. Sony also keeps 100% of the profits for the film.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Spitting hairs.
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Not at all. Secondary production houses don't get to exercise claimant's rights over a film because the level of their involvement is often purely financial. In the case of Spider-Man: Homecoming and Marvel Studios, it was more creative, but they still don't get to lay claim to the film - nor would they actually try to - because it's not their film, for all that it's set in their universe and involves some of their characters.

It's not that hard to understand.
 
As I added to my previous post, I call it splitting hairs because @Sci's point of discussion was about critical and financial reception rather than ledger books. It was crafted as a Marvel movie by the people who make Marvel movies. Yes, you are absolutely correct in the sense that at the end of the day it is a Sony movie from a financial viewpoint. From a creative and production view point, it was a Marvel movie. It's not unreasonable to compare the critical reaction to the movie to the "official" Marvel products. That's all I'm saying.

That, also, isn't that hard to understand.
 
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"Marvel" is more than "Marvel Studios." Spider-Man is a Marvel Comics character. Always has been, always will be. Sony licensed the film rights to the character from Marvel, but he is still a Marvel character -- just as Batman was still a National Comics character when 20th Century Fox licensed the television rights to him in the 1960s. Current Batman comics are not published by 20th Century Fox, they're published by DC. And current and future Spider-Man comics are and will continue to be published by Marvel. Spider-Man is originally, fundamentally a comic book character, not a movie character. The movies are just adaptations of the comics. And the comics are published by Marvel. So it is bizarre to claim that a movie about Spider-Man is somehow not a Marvel movie. It's not a Marvel Studios movie, but it sure as hell is a movie about a Marvel character -- hell, about the Marvel character, their most popular superhero, whose image has literally been used as part of their logo.
 
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@Christopher You're right, but when people use the phrase "Marvel movie", they're almost always referring to Marvel Studios, and the fact of the matter - from ALL viewpoints - is that Spider-Man Homecoming does not belong to Marvel Studios.
 
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